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pats1 02-11-2010 08:12 PM

Pro Football Weekly: Pats 32nd in league in 2004-08 draft picks still on roster
 
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JoeSixPat 02-11-2010 08:18 PM

Re: Pro Football Weekly: Pats 32nd in league in 2004-08 draft picks still on roster
 
This isn't a huge surprise to me... I've long noticed and pointed out that unlike some teams, who have GMs who seem unable to acknowledge their draft mistakes, part of what makes Belichick a success is his willingness to keep ONLY the players who deserve a spot on the roster, regardless of where they were drafted, and regardless of how it makes him look.

If that means cutting a QB prospect drafted in the 3rd round and keeping an undrafted rookie free agent, so be it - Belichick will cut the 3rd round draft pick and happilly accept the "embarrassment" of being ranked 32 on this list, as long as the result is having the strongest roster possible.

Other GMs wouldn't be so quick to admit their mistake. Salary cap issues notwithstanding, they'd prefer to keep a bust like Vernon Gholston on the roster in the hope that he might salvage their reputation and investment, while passing on a player that has done more to earn a spot on the 53 man roster.

In such a ranking the Jets will have a better "ranking" - but who is the wiser GM?

And of course if one is looking at the top rounds of the draft, Belichick certainly isn't the worst... and I'm not going to blame him for taking some chances in the later round crap shoot. He's found plenty of draftable guys even as undrafted free agents. Since this is looking only at the draft, those guys wouldn't count (indeed, they're the players who made the team at the expense of cutting lose higher drafted guys who weren't good enough for the team.)

The Pats can take those risks in later rounds precisely because they have been as good as they have been and have fewer needs.

JackBauer 02-11-2010 08:20 PM

Re: Pro Football Weekly: Pats 32nd in league in 2004-08 draft picks still on roster
 
Given the apparent success of the 2009 draft, I wonder what that says, if anything, about the loss of Pioli.

That being said, there are a myriad of holes in this type of analysis.

TimU 02-11-2010 08:23 PM

Re: Pro Football Weekly: Pats 32nd in league in 2004-08 draft picks still on roster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeSixPat (Post 1728258)
This isn't a huge surprise to me... I've long noticed and pointed out that unlike some teams, who have GMs who seem unable to acknowledge their draft mistakes, part of what makes Belichick a success is his willingness to keep ONLY the players who deserve a spot on the roster, regardless of where they were drafted.

If that means cutting a QB prospect drafted in the 3rd round and keeping an undrafted rookie free agent, so be it - Belichick will cut the 3rd round draft pick and happilly accept the "embarrassment" of being ranked 32 on this list, as long as the result is having the strongest roster possible.

Other GMs wouldn't be so quick to admit their mistake. Salary cap issues notwithstanding, they'd prefer to keep a bust like Vernon Gholston on the roster in the hope that he might salvage their reputation and investment, while passing on a player that has done more to earn a spot on the 53 man roster.

In such a ranking the Jets will have a better "ranking" - but who is the wiser GM?


Boy, are you drinking the kool-aid!

I can see your argument up to a point, like say if the Pats ranked 18th. But 32nd!? 32nd says you haven't been drafting well, no matter how you look at it.

Disco Volante 02-11-2010 08:24 PM

Re: Pro Football Weekly: Pats 32nd in league in 2004-08 draft picks still on roster
 
Too bad we can't be at the top of this valuable list.

Quote:

San Francisco led the way with 14 starters
2004-2008

Record: 25-55 (.455)
Playoff appearances: 0
Head Coaches: 3

upstater1 02-11-2010 08:24 PM

Re: Pro Football Weekly: Pats 32nd in league in 2004-08 draft picks still on roster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JackBauer (Post 1728260)

That being said, there are a myriad of holes in this type of analysis.

Indeed, such as, how good is your team? Do you have space for rookies?

Have you traded picks forward into the future? Have you traded picks for veterans?

JackBauer 02-11-2010 08:27 PM

Re: Pro Football Weekly: Pats 32nd in league in 2004-08 draft picks still on roster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by upstater1 (Post 1728267)
Indeed, such as, how good is your team? Do you have space for rookies?

Have you traded picks forward into the future? Have you traded picks for veterans?

Exactly. I'm sure no one would argue that a 2nd for Welker and a 4th for Moss weren't brilliant moves, but under this sort of analysis these moves might as well have never occurred.

carolinatony 02-11-2010 08:27 PM

Re: Pro Football Weekly: Pats 32nd in league in 2004-08 draft picks still on roster
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Disco Volante (Post 1728265)
Too bad we can't be at the top of this valuable list.



2004-2008

Record: 25-55 (.455)
Playoff appearances: 0
Head Coaches: 3



I beleve this is the correct answer.

RodThePat 02-11-2010 08:28 PM

Re: Pro Football Weekly: Pats 32nd in league in 2004-08 draft picks still on roster
 
People here can put the spin they want on this, but it ABSOLUTELY is an indication that the Patriots haven't drafted well in the last few years.

carolinatony 02-11-2010 08:28 PM

Re: Pro Football Weekly: Pats 32nd in league in 2004-08 draft picks still on roster
 
forgot the

San Francisco led the way with 14 starters


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