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mgteich 01-28-2010 09:12 AM

No-Trade Mocks
 
We love trades, as we should. However, they are extremely speculative. It might be interesting for us to consider a no-draft mock for our first four picks.

Esch at Hubble has us taking
Spiller RB
Graham DE
Hardy DE
Hernadez TE

TriplecHamp 01-28-2010 09:22 AM

Re: No-Trade Mocks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mgteich (Post 1711703)
We love trades, as we should. However, they are extremely speculative. It might be interesting for us to consider a no-draft mock for our first four picks.

Esch at Hubble has us taking
Spiller RB
Graham DE
Hardy DE
Hernadez TE

Perfect if we get the right FA's. A few wideouts and an ILB.

mayoclinic 01-28-2010 09:30 AM

Re: No-Trade Mocks
 
Spiller and Graham are home runs at 22 and 44 given no trades and who else is available. Hardy is a bit risky, but the talent is there. Hernandez is good value at 53, if we don't go OL (Maurkice Pouncey, Vlad Ducasse and Mike Johnson are all available).

Overall, possibly the best 2 round mock I've seen.

mgteich 01-28-2010 10:00 AM

Re: No-Trade Mocks
 
Esch seems to be doing well this year (that is, he's agreeing with us).

Also, I would note that if Spiller isn't there, it would possibly mean that Bulaga, Odrick or Iupati dropped to be available at 22.

I also agree that the choice at 53 would be between Hernandez and an OL. I think that this choice will depend on which position is filled in free agency. I would hope that we would fill one of the two.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mayoclinic (Post 1711717)
Spiller and Graham are home runs at 22 and 44 given no trades and who else is available. Hardy is a bit risky, but the talent is there. Hernandez is good value at 53, if we don't go OL (Maurkice Pouncey, Vlad Ducasse and Mike Johnson are all available).

Overall, possibly the best 2 round mock I've seen.


NePatriots 01-28-2010 11:10 AM

Re: No-Trade Mocks
 
Our current one has:

Brandon Graham
Corey Wootten
Brandon Ghee
Aurrelious Benn

mayoclinic 01-28-2010 11:14 AM

Re: No-Trade Mocks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NePatriots (Post 1711865)
Our current one has:

Brandon Graham
Corey Wootten
Brandon Ghee
Aurrelious Benn

I'll take Esch's mock.

BTW, I can't see Brian Price falling past 20, much less to 43.

mgteich 01-28-2010 12:49 PM

Re: No-Trade Mocks
 
I would expect 2-3 free agent wide receivers.

The need at ILB is one primarily recognized on this board. I expect that we will bring in the usual set of suspects to compete for a roster spot and reps. For now, we have Mayo, Guyton, McKenzie and Alexander.

It is this board who thinks that our DROY playing injured isn't good enough to play his position in the future and the Guyton and McKenzie will not be good enough to play the other side (perhaps after competing with a free agent).

Sure we could sign Dansby. I suspect there will be lots of high-priced free agents who would be upgrades over our signed players at almost every position expect QB. That doesn't mean that we will sign any of them, except at wide receiver where there is a critical need for a starter, rather than a perceived wish for an upgrade.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TriplecHamp (Post 1711713)
Perfect if we get the right FA's. A few wideouts and an ILB.


Ochmed Jones 01-28-2010 01:07 PM

Re: No-Trade Mocks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mgteich (Post 1711753)
Esch seems to be doing well this year (that is, he's agreeing with us).

Also, I would note that if Spiller isn't there, it would possibly mean that Bulaga, Odrick or Iupati dropped to be available at 22.

I also agree that the choice at 53 would be between Hernandez and an OL. I think that this choice will depend on which position is filled in free agency. I would hope that we would fill one of the two.

That is the great thing about this draft, if some guys go higher than expected then some talented guys fall, and if everybody goes as predicted, we still get 4 really good red chip prospects.

Guys picked in the fifth round this year, could have been 3rd rounders last year.

mayoclinic 01-28-2010 01:08 PM

Re: No-Trade Mocks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mgteich (Post 1712014)
It is this board who thinks that our DROY playing injured isn't good enough to play his position in the future and the Guyton and McKenzie will not be good enough to play the other side (perhaps after competing with a free agent).

I think it's an extremely small minority on this board who think that Mayo isn't good enough to play his position in the future. But that's a different issue from Mayo playing the Mike, which isn't his natural position, and to which neither Guyton nor McKenzie is particularly naturally suited either. McKenzie is perhaps the best suited of the 3 to playing SILB, but he is on the small side and hasn't proven that he can take the pounding.

mgteich 01-28-2010 01:21 PM

Re: No-Trade Mocks
 
I certainly have not studied this enough to be able to judge the 5th round or later picks copared to last year's value. For me, these late pcisk are always a bonus if they make the team, and Belichick alswasy seems to find at least two for the roster in last three rounds or among the UDFA's. Last year was a bonanza with three such picks plus Hoyer and Lockett.

That being said, we should be able to get a 2009 3rd round quality player at 118 and with other 4th rounders we might acquire.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ochmed Jones (Post 1712037)
That is the great thing about this draft, if some guys go higher than expected then some talented guys fall, and if everybody goes as predicted, we still get 4 really good red chip prospects.

Guys picked in the fifth round this year, could have been 3rd rounders last year.



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