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mgteich 01-25-2010 08:58 AM

Should we overpay for some of our UFA's?
 
Poster often talk about letting every player go unless we can gewt him to stay at a fair price. Folks usually mean that if a player can get more tha patriots think is fair, then he is certainly free to go.

Are any of our UFA's worth more to us than to other teams, so much more that we would be willing to "overpay", that is, pay more than what other teams are offering?

Rob0729 01-25-2010 09:00 AM

Re: Should We Overpay for Some Of Our UFA's?
 
It depends on what overpay means. Some players just have unrealistic senses of their value. I am for overpaying for players if the overpay price is reasonable, but even if you overpay for a player there is a limit even for guys like Daniel Snyder.

xmarkd400x 01-25-2010 09:03 AM

Re: Should We Overpay for Some Of Our UFA's?
 
Yes!

Make Brady the lowest paid player on the team!

/s

RayClay 01-25-2010 09:08 AM

Re: Should We Overpay for Some Of Our UFA's?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mgteich (Post 1707785)
Poster often talk about letting every player go unless we can gewt him to stay at a fair price. Folks usually mean that if a player can get more tha patriots think is fair, then he is certainly free to go.

Are any of our UFA's worth more to us than to other teams, so much more that we would be willing to "overpay", that is, pay more than what other teams are offering?

How about we pay the right amount? Overpay is a ridiculous term when used in the context of something you do on purpose.

Was anyone beating down the door for Adalius, for instance? We paid plenty and we desperately needed what we thought he offered. He underperformed.

Could you say we overpaid because we've neglected to replace our excellent former linebacker corps? I suppose you could. Over pay means paid too much. It should never be a goal.

mgteich 01-25-2010 09:34 AM

Re: Should We Overpay for Some Of Our UFA's?
 
I purposely used the term "overpay" since most on this board want our UFA's to take discounts from market to play for the patriots. After all, what the patriots offer is fair, and if a player wants more, we'll just let other teams overpay.

I am trying to focus on our own UFA's since the patriots have an opportunity to lock up at least some of these players BEFORE free agency starts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RayClay (Post 1707797)
How about we pay the right amount? Overpay is a ridiculous term when used in the context of something you do on purpose.

Was anyone beating down the door for Adalius, for instance? We paid plenty and we desperately needed what we thought he offered. He underperformed.

Could you say we overpaid because we've neglected to replace our excellent former linebacker corps? I suppose you could. Over pay means paid too much. It should never be a goal.


MoLewisrocks 01-25-2010 09:35 AM

Re: Should We Overpay for Some Of Our UFA's?
 
Even Adalius took less. Unfortunately, that still resulted in an overpay. That will happen inadvertently every once in a while. Should never happen intentionally. There will be a cap again, bank on it.

MoLewisrocks 01-25-2010 09:45 AM

Re: Should We Overpay for Some Of Our UFA's?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mgteich (Post 1707831)
I purposely used the term "overpay" since most on this board want our UFA's to take discounts from market to play for the patriots. After all, what the patriots offer is fair, and if a player wants more, we'll just let other teams overpay.

I am trying to focus on our own UFA's since the patriots have an opportunity to lock up at least some of these players BEFORE free agency starts.

Your tortured logic threads are one of the joys of the off season...NOT...

Part of the philosophical underpinning of this system that has taken us to 4 of the Superbowls this decade is teambuilding is not about talent collection or retention, it's about identifying players to whom football (and specifically having the opportunity to consistently play it at a championship level no matter what that entails) matters. As in more than every last dollar. It's like a little litmus test. Not everyone who passes is a slam dunk winner, just like not everyone who fails is a moneygrubbing loser. But as a rule it speaks volumes about a guys heart and drive to do something besides make more money than his peers and appear on NFL highlight clips.

mgteich 01-25-2010 09:50 AM

Re: Should We Overpay for Some Of Our UFA's?
 
Yes, we can have a team of Bruschi's ot NOT. There are limited number of players who think that playing for the patriots and in Boston is so much of a priviledge that would gladly play here for less than what other team are offering.

Yes, let's continue talking about the 2001-2004 patriots as if they didn't care about money. Say it often enough, act as if money isn't important, and we will still be talking about 2001-2004 in 2014 or 2024 or 2034.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoLewisrocks (Post 1707841)
Your tortured logic threads are one of the joys of the off season...NOT...

Part of the philosophical underpinning of this system that has taken us to 4 of the Superbowls this decade is teambuilding is not about talent collection or retention, it's about identifying players to whom football (and specifically having the opportunity to consistently play it at a championship level no matter what that entails) matters. As in more than every last dollar. It's like a little litmus test. Not everyone who passes is a slam dunk winner, just like not everyone who fails is a moneygrubbing loser. But as a rule it speaks volumes about a guys heart and drive to do something besides make more money than his peers and appear on NFL highlight clips.


JSn 01-25-2010 09:51 AM

Re: Should we overpay for some of our UFA's?
 
I think proper payment will happen. We've paid guys extra to keep them on the practice squad, no reason we won't throw in an extra suitcase of cash to keep a guy like TBC around.

Some of the assessment, that is "this guy is costing us too much time to say bye" will make it easier to pay more. I expect we'll be filling some more holes with rookies and maybe 2 big free-agents.

Jimke 01-25-2010 09:56 AM

Re: Should We Overpay for Some Of Our UFA's?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mgteich (Post 1707831)
I purposely used the term "overpay" since most on this board want our UFA's to take discounts from market to play for the patriots. After all, what the patriots offer is fair, and if a player wants more, we'll just let other teams overpay.

I am trying to focus on our own UFA's since the patriots have an opportunity to lock up at least some of these players BEFORE free agency starts.

With the exception of a player like Kevin Faulk who is at the end of

his career, I don't expect any of the Patriot's free agents to re-sign

at much less than market value. Players are more concerned about the

size of their paychecks than Superbowl rings. Besides, signing with the

Patriots does not guarantee a Superbowl ring.


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