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KontradictioN 01-20-2010 03:17 PM

For the crowd that thinks that the coordinators/coaching staff were the problem...
 
...or at least more of a problem than the talent drop-off, then I would love for you to explain to me in detail how that Vikings are in the NFC Championship game in spite of having Brad Childress as their coach.

KontradictioN 01-20-2010 03:18 PM

Re: For the crowd that thinks that the coordinators/coaching staff were the problem..
 
Oh, and I'm also in the mood for a gut laugh, so if you actually believe that Childress is a good coach, then please explain why.

aurakilla 01-20-2010 03:18 PM

Re: For the crowd that thinks that the coordinators/coaching staff were the problem..
 
ya and the jets are in the afc one despite............everything

Don_the_patfan 01-20-2010 03:29 PM

Re: For the crowd that thinks that the coordinators/coaching staff were the problem..
 
If you dont think there is a coaching problem in New England:

1. Why was three no attempt to retain Pees if he did such a good job? If he gets hired by Denver or anyone, medical reasons are out of the window.

2. Why did our Director of player personnel work with WR during the season? Dont we have a WR coach aka O'Shea? And if so why was there a need for someone in personnel to do double duty? Why dont other teams do that? Could it be that O'Shea doesnt have enough experience?

3. Who was the official OC of this team this year? And if O'brien do you think he can do both QB coach and OC? And if the answer to that is yes why dont other teams pull double duties as we do here in NE.

Since we are into questions :cool:

BradyFTW! 01-20-2010 03:30 PM

Re: For the crowd that thinks that the coordinators/coaching staff were the problem..
 
and Caldwell's a rookie HC. Out of the four teams left, only one of them is coached by a guy who we know for certain is good at his job.

Coaching was definitely a major issue this season, but so was talent. Talent can overcome mediocre coaching, for the most part at least. If you don't have talent, though, coaching can only do so much for you.

robertweathers 01-20-2010 03:33 PM

Re: For the crowd that thinks that the coordinators/coaching staff were the problem..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KontradictioN (Post 1701753)
Oh, and I'm also in the mood for a gut laugh, so if you actually believe that Childress is a good coach, then please explain why.

2006-6-10
2007-8-8
2008-10-6
2009-12-4

If I were his boss, I would be pleased with his job performance.

Why are you all over "Chilly" today, Kontra?

KontradictioN 01-20-2010 03:34 PM

Re: For the crowd that thinks that the coordinators/coaching staff were the problem..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don_the_patfan (Post 1701777)
If you dont think there is a coaching problem in New England:

1. Why was three no attempt to retain Pees if he did such a good job? If he gets hired by Denver or anyone, medical reasons are out of the window.

2. Why did our Director of player personnel work with WR during the season? Dont we have a WR coach aka O'Shea? And if so why was there a need for someone in personnel to do double duty? Why dont other teams do that? Could it be that O'Shea doesnt have enough experience?

3. Who was the official OC of this team this year? And if O'brien do you think he can do both QB coach and OC? And if the answer to that is yes why dont other teams pull double duties as we do here in NE.

Since we are into questions :cool:

I never said there wasn't a coaching problem. I've said numerous times that I don't think B.O.B. did a good job of calling the plays this year, at all. But both Pees and O'Brien (especially Pees) had a huge talent drop-off as compared to our past two years worth of teams. It's simple: without playmakers, your team is going to stall.

However, my question is geared to the people that believe that the coaching staff was more to blame this season than the personnel. The Vikings are a perfect example. Despite having Childress, who is a mental midgit as their coach, they are in the NFCCG with a very good chance to go to the Super Bowl. On top of that, I don't think Jim Caldwell is a very good coach at all, yet his team is in the AFCCG, one game away from the big dance.

Hopefully someone can actually ANSWER this question.

Sicilian 01-20-2010 03:36 PM

Re: For the crowd that thinks that the coordinators/coaching staff were the problem..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don_the_patfan (Post 1701777)
If you dont think there is a coaching problem in New England:

1. Why was three no attempt to retain Pees if he did such a good job? If he gets hired by Denver or anyone, medical reasons are out of the window.

2. Why did our Director of player personnel work with WR during the season? Dont we have a WR coach aka O'Shea? And if so why was there a need for someone in personnel to do double duty? Why dont other teams do that? Could it be that O'Shea doesnt have enough experience?

3. Who was the official OC of this team this year? And if O'brien do you think he can do both QB coach and OC? And if the answer to that is yes why dont other teams pull double duties as we do here in NE.

Since we are into questions :cool:

Please give me a detailed breakdown of the other 31 teams' coaching staffs. Since you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that no other team had a coach pull any double duties.

KontradictioN 01-20-2010 03:36 PM

Re: For the crowd that thinks that the coordinators/coaching staff were the problem..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by robertweathers (Post 1701781)
2006-6-10
2007-8-8
2008-10-6
2009-12-4

If I were his boss, I would be pleased with his job performance.

Why are you all over "Chilly" today, Kontra?

The question is how much of his job performance is due to him and how much of it is due to the Vikings having superior talent at almost every single position on the field? Hell, I could probably coach that team. I challenge you to name me one position where the Vikings do not have acceptable talent on the field, on both offense and defense.

And, I'm not sure I understand the last question...

Brady_12 01-20-2010 03:40 PM

Re: For the crowd that thinks that the coordinators/coaching staff were the problem..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don_the_patfan (Post 1701777)
If you dont think there is a coaching problem in New England:

1. Why was three no attempt to retain Pees if he did such a good job? If he gets hired by Denver or anyone, medical reasons are out of the window.

Maybe I'm missing something... You know that there was no attempt to retain Pees?


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