Originally Posted by maverick4 (Post 1619379)

Energy companies hate it.

Originally Posted by DarrylS (Post 1619811)

Follow the money, the money usually leads to established systems..

Without regard, there is a ton of junk science on both sides... I usually look to the best and brightest, not the media darlings... in this case Stephen Hawking..

Originally Posted by Patriot_in_NY (Post 1619923)

There is junk science everywhere, that's why there are fairly rigid standards in place to not only cooperate and correlate it, but to be able to trace and track all data used to postulate a specific scientific fact. Suddenly finding out that that is impossible because stuff was "thrown out" throws a wrench in that.

Fine, you look to the "best and brightest" :rolleyes:

The rest of us will wait on science that is able to stand to the rigorous process of documentation that is accepted within the scientific community. Perhaps this someday will, but there are doubts about it right now.

Originally Posted by DarrylS (Post 1619947)

Would prefer the comments of Hawking to Lord Moncton, that is for sure..

Originally Posted by Patriot_in_NY (Post 1619968)

Why, they are both lying to us..... ;)



Not much I can disagree with on this one. It's pretty much why I sit on the fence with the whole GW thing. Half of me say's all this crap we're putting into the air can't be good for the planet and the other half say's "BS, human existence is barely a speck on this dog's ass of a planet and it's only our arrogance that makes us think we could make a difference." What we're seeing is probably just the natural ebb/flow of the planets life-cycle and we really don't matter one fukcing bit since we're just along for a brief ride. If the good mother see's fit, she'll natually flush the toilet and rid herself of the "human problem" and then the next life form can "evolve" to dominance.

I don't think anyone is prepared to definitively say one way or the other is true. Anybody that says they can is lying to you. ;)

Originally Posted by DarrylS (Post 1619970)

Do not disagree, that is usually why I bow out of most of these discussions.. reminds me of Rocket Man by Elton John.. "All the science I do not understand, it is just my job 5 days a week"..

But I am a visual learner, and when I was in Alaska they had benchmarks by a glacier in Seward.. one thing that is obvious is that the glaciers are melting a whole lot faster than they did before.....