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weswelker#83 10-20-2009 08:47 AM

Water on moon scientist accused by US of trying to spy for Israel
 
A scientist credited with helping discover evidence of water on the moon was arrested on charges of attempting to pass along classified information to an FBI agent posing as an Israeli intelligence officer.

Water on moon scientist accused by US of trying to spy for Israel - World news, News - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Stewart David Nozette Espionage Case



In other words, H2O was chosen by God to be the Chosen Molecule. Water must keep the Sabbath holy .Naturally, Israel was shocked and dismayed when they heard the news.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa 10-20-2009 09:13 AM

Re: Water on moon scientist accused by US of trying to spy for Israel
 
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Originally Posted by weswelker#83 (Post 1558781)
.Naturally, Israel was shocked and dismayed when they heard the news.

Really, where'd you read that? Coz the article you posted simply said the Israeli's had no comment.


The complaint does not allege that the government of Israel or anyone acting on its behalf violated US law.

In Jerusalem, where the story broke late at night, Israeli government officials had no immediate comment.

PatriotsReign 10-20-2009 09:23 AM

Re: Water on moon scientist accused by US of trying to spy for Israel
 
"If" Israel did have anything to do with this, that's really sad. What lower form if one of your own allies spies on you?

Now, what if this man acted on his own? Why would any American SPY on his own country? Maybe he's very sick or deranged...many people are that wacked out.

I would have rather seen us set up a REAL meeting with a representative from Israel to see if they would have tried to buy the information. Then we'd REALLY know.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa 10-20-2009 09:52 AM

Re: Water on moon scientist accused by US of trying to spy for Israel
 
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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign (Post 1558838)
"If" Israel did have anything to do with this, that's really sad. What lower form if one of your own allies spies on you?

According to the articles there is no "if." Israel had nothing to do with it and no knowledge that it was being done.

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I would have rather seen us set up a REAL meeting with a representative from Israel to see if they would have tried to buy the information. Then we'd REALLY know.
We'd really know what? That the USA was capable of entrapment?

Wolfpack 10-20-2009 10:15 AM

Re: Water on moon scientist accused by US of trying to spy for Israel
 
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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign (Post 1558838)
"If" Israel did have anything to do with this, that's really sad. What lower form if one of your own allies spies on you?

Israel is stupid to do this. We're their big brother, and the last thing they should do is piss us off. This is hardly the first such accusation.
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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign (Post 1558838)
Now, what if this man acted on his own? Why would any American SPY on his own country? Maybe he's very sick or deranged...many people are that wacked out.

It's probably quite likely that, like most spies, he accepted bribes.

PatriotsReign 10-20-2009 10:17 AM

Re: Water on moon scientist accused by US of trying to spy for Israel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PatriotsReign (Post 1558838)
"If" Israel did have anything to do with this, that's really sad. What lower form if one of your own allies spies on you?

Now, what if this man acted on his own? Why would any American SPY on his own country? Maybe he's very sick or deranged...many people are that wacked out.

I would have rather seen us set up a REAL meeting with a representative from Israel to see if they would have tried to buy the information. Then we'd REALLY know.


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Originally Posted by Mrs.PatsFanInVa (Post 1558907)
According to the articles there is no "if." Israel had nothing to do with it and no knowledge that it was being done.



We'd really know what? That the USA was capable of entrapment?

"According to the article...." is that good enough for you?

Also, you can try to set up a meeting with a person who wants to buy information and that's not entrapment (see Acorn). There is more than one way to set up such a meeting without it being entrapment.

Unfortunately, to trust your allies, you have to test them now & again. I'm sure other countries do it to us as well. Because when you get right down to it, any country that spies on another country can't be an ally. Granted, it all gets down to "If" and I have no opinion on this matter because i don't know the facts.

But it's pretty difficult to argue against the statement: "Only enemies spy on one another."

Mrs.PatsFanInVa 10-20-2009 10:55 AM

Re: Water on moon scientist accused by US of trying to spy for Israel
 
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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign (Post 1559006)
"According to the article...." is that good enough for you?

Until there's another article stating something different and supplying it's source of information, yeah, it is.

It's certainly better than immediately saying "What if," even though everything you've heard so far leads to the contrary - which opening then leads to someone (deliberately or otherwise) misreading what you said and making it something else entirely - as happened right here in the space of half an hour.

At 9:23 you said ""If" Israel did have anything to do with this, that's really sad. What lower form if one of your own allies spies on you? insuinating that Israel may have had something to do with it - even though all evidence known so far points to the contrary. You sowed the seed in spite of the facts already mentioned - which is that Israel was not involved and was not charged. This is the USA and people are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

At 10;15 Wolfpack took it one step further and said, "Israel is stupid to do this. We're their big brother, and the last thing they should do is piss us off. This is hardly the first such accusation" conveniently ignoring the fact that not only did Israel not do this but that they weren't accused of doing this, either.

Except by your "if" insuination, of course.

Do you even see how ***** gets started and why people are so quick to accept lies as truth and do you even see your own moral obligation when you're making the choice between careful and careless in your word choices?

Does it ever dawn on you that it's not "micro-managing" to seek the truth before opening your mouth and implying things which have not yet been implied? Can you see the danger involved?

weswelker#83 10-20-2009 10:57 AM

Re: Water on moon scientist accused by US of trying to spy for Israel
 
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Originally Posted by Mrs.PatsFanInVa (Post 1558825)
Really, where'd you read that? Coz the article you posted simply said the Israeli's had no comment.


Israel has a well documented history of spying on the US, and of course undermining US political processes.

Good example:

Charles "Chas" Freeman, Obama’s pick to head the National Intelligence Council, has withdrawn from contention for the job. The Daily Beast’s Max Blumenthal reported that the leader of the campaign against Freeman was Steven Rosen, a former director of AIPAC awaiting trial on espionage charges, who has a long history of attacking and undermining anybody he deems hostile to Israel.
Source:
Obama Intelligence Nominee Withdraws - Page 1 - The Daily Beast


Nozette allegedly traveled to another foreign country with two computer thumb drives and apparently did not return with them. Prosecutors also quote an unnamed colleague of Nozette who said the scientist said that if the U.S. government ever tried to put him in jail for an unrelated criminal offense, he would go to Israel or another foreign country and "tell them everything" he knows.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_326447.html


I don't care if you are of Jewish ,Irish,Italian or Arab descent and you start spying on the US,it is just wrong , our country comes first......USA.It is what it is.

BBC Article:
BBC NEWS | Americas | US scientist charged with spying

PatriotsReign 10-20-2009 11:04 AM

Re: Water on moon scientist accused by US of trying to spy for Israel
 
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Originally Posted by Mrs.PatsFanInVa (Post 1559112)
Until there's another article stating something different and supplying it's source of information, yeah, it is.

It's certainly better than immediately saying "What if," even though everything you've heard so far leads to the contrary - which opening then leads to someone (deliberately or otherwise) misreading what you said and making it something else entirely - as happened right here in the space of half an hour.

At 9:23 you said ""If" Israel did have anything to do with this, that's really sad. What lower form if one of your own allies spies on you? insuinating that Israel may have had something to do with it - even though all evidence known so far points to the contrary. You sowed the seed in spite of the facts already mentioned - which is that Israel was not involved and was not charged. This is the USA and people are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

At 10;15 Wolfpack took it one step further and said, "Israel is stupid to do this. We're their big brother, and the last thing they should do is piss us off. This is hardly the first such accusation" conveniently ignoring the fact that not only did Israel not do this but that they weren't accused of doing this, either.

Except by your "if" insuination, of course.

Do you even see how ***** gets started and why people are so quick to accept lies as truth and do you even see your own moral obligation when you're making the choice between careful and careless in your word choices?

Does it ever dawn on you that it's not "micro-managing" to seek the truth before opening your mouth and implying things which have not yet been implied? Can you see the danger involved?

Just an FYI....a comment in a newspaper isn't fact...it's a comment. Fact is backed up by proof.

And (as someone already pointed out) this isn't the first time in recent history that Israel has been linked to spying on the US.

Shouldn't all of us be hoping this isn't true? But at the same time, keep in mind America's best interest? After all, we're all US citizens.

PatriotsReign 10-20-2009 11:07 AM

Re: Water on moon scientist accused by US of trying to spy for Israel
 
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Originally Posted by Mrs.PatsFanInVa (Post 1559112)
Until there's another article stating something different and supplying it's source of information, yeah, it is.

It's certainly better than immediately saying "What if," even though everything you've heard so far leads to the contrary - which opening then leads to someone (deliberately or otherwise) misreading what you said and making it something else entirely - as happened right here in the space of half an hour.

At 9:23 you said ""If" Israel did have anything to do with this, that's really sad. What lower form if one of your own allies spies on you? insuinating that Israel may have had something to do with it - even though all evidence known so far points to the contrary. You sowed the seed in spite of the facts already mentioned - which is that Israel was not involved and was not charged. This is the USA and people are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

At 10;15 Wolfpack took it one step further and said, "Israel is stupid to do this. We're their big brother, and the last thing they should do is piss us off. This is hardly the first such accusation" conveniently ignoring the fact that not only did Israel not do this but that they weren't accused of doing this, either.

Except by your "if" insuination, of course.

Do you even see how ***** gets started and why people are so quick to accept lies as truth and do you even see your own moral obligation when you're making the choice between careful and careless in your word choices?

Does it ever dawn on you that it's not "micro-managing" to seek the truth before opening your mouth and implying things which have not yet been implied? Can you see the danger involved?

Wow...I don't know what to say to you. I clearly stated "I have no opinion on this matter because i don't know the facts." I'd say the same thing if the guy were British. "image if that blimey sob actually was spying for England?"

Imagine....if he actually were spying for Israel? as is the case in this instance.


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