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mesoslo 10-14-2009 11:59 AM

Is Maroney running behind a pass protection offensive line?
 
If Maroney ran behind an offensive line that is more suited to run the ball do you think Maroney will have to dance less and be able to just run through gaping wholes?

Maroney runs pretty fast through the whole. You give maroney a hole a proper size hole that a running back of his run style speed and agility he will make people miss tackles in the backfield.

the offensive line is more tired when trying to pass protect. Its a lot less tiring and easier just being to push forward. So with the amount of passing the patriots have done does this tire out the offensive line causing them to not create bigger holes during running plays?

HEY BRO! WHAT UP? 10-14-2009 12:27 PM

Re: Is Maroney running behind a pass protection offensive line?
 
I've said this before, but almost every time Maroney gets the football, the blocking is absolute crap. Then the Maroney haters come on here and say he's a bust when he hardly ever gets any carries. In addition, the way the Pats run the football (in shotgun) it's harder for RB's to accelerate through the holes quickly. In fact, these types of plays require excellent vision on the RB's part.

In the end, the Pats are a passing team and I don't think too many RB's would do well in this scheme because the ball is mostly in the WR's hands. RB's need to get into a rhythm, and only Fred Taylor was able to do that in one game out of the five this season. In the end, Maroney just doesn't fit this scheme and would do a lot better with a team that is built to run the ball and runs the ball a lot.

mesoslo 10-14-2009 12:38 PM

Re: Is Maroney running behind a pass protection offensive line?
 
I think maroney is too fast for the patriots offensive line. If the patriots offensive line can get off the ball faster on run plays, it will halep sync the speed of maroney with the offensive line.

Its about creating an early hole, or else the defense will have time to react to the hole and plug it up, which causes the running back to dance a bit to try find other holes but non of them are big enough for him to run through.


Maybe the patriots should add more depth at the offensive line to have sub packages for run plays.

ALP 10-14-2009 12:41 PM

Re: Is Maroney running behind a pass protection offensive line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mesoslo (Post 1550938)
I think maroney is too fast for the patriots offensive line. If the patriots offensive line can get off the ball faster on run plays, it will halep sync the speed of maroney with the offensive line.

Its about creating an early hole, or else the defense will have time to react to the hole and plug it up, which causes the running back to dance a bit to try find other holes but non of them are big enough for him to run through.


Maybe the patriots should add more depth at the offensive line to have sub packages for run plays.

i guess that might be true....go out there and get O line guys that can run block amazingly well

the defense would KNOW ur running it, but hey, maybe the execution will be there, cuz i mean right now they STILL know when were gonna run it, but we're lacking execution

PATRIOTSFANINPA 10-14-2009 12:41 PM

Re: Is Maroney running behind a pass protection offensive line?
 
The Patriots are one of 4 teams remaning in the NFL that have not had a run longer than 20 yards - That says something for both the OL and the RBs not working well together and on the same page.

Snake Eyes 10-14-2009 12:43 PM

Re: Is Maroney running behind a pass protection offensive line?
 
Maroney's ypc are the lowest with the exception of Law Firm, who doesn't get any carries, so either the line doesn't block for him because they hate him and want him to fail, or Maroney can't make as much with what he's given, neither one speaks well of him.

robertweathers 10-14-2009 12:46 PM

Re: Is Maroney running behind a pass protection offensive line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mesoslo (Post 1550938)
I think maroney is too fast for the patriots offensive line. If the patriots offensive line can get off the ball faster on run plays, it will halep sync the speed of maroney with the offensive line.

Its about creating an early hole, or else the defense will have time to react to the hole and plug it up, which causes the running back to dance a bit to try find other holes but non of them are big enough for him to run through.


Maybe the patriots should add more depth at the offensive line to have sub packages for run plays.

I hate to admit this but Tom E. Curran made a 1/2 decent point last night when he said that the athleticism of the Pats O line is lacking in a major way. I agree with this to a point. This line can be outmuscled and out maneuvered but faster, stronger players. Is the Pats blocking scheme not conducive to LoMos running style? Maybe. What I do know is that before being hurt, Taylor was running well and Morris ran slightly better than ok vs Denver against a coach who knew our blocking scheme cold and knew how to counter it for the most part. Overall, the production of the running game is below average and without going into it, there are a number of contributing factors.

Theoretically, if you had the 1992 Dallas Cowboys O-line, would Maroney rush for 1300 yds in his sleep? Maybe, but I dont think the lines inability to get off the ball is the reason for Maroney's sub-par production. It's in his head that he won't be sucessful here.

My .02$

unoriginal 10-14-2009 12:49 PM

Re: Is Maroney running behind a pass protection offensive line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PATRIOTSFANINPA (Post 1550942)
The Patriots are one of 4 teams remaning in the NFL that have not had a run longer than 20 yards - That says something for both the OL and the RBs not working well together and on the same page.

If the line were opening holes that would probably tell you more about the running backs not having the speed to run away from the defense, or the ability to cleanly elude the isolated defender.

But footballoutsiders also has us down for the 28th worst "stuffed" ranking, where we get tackled at or behind the line of scrimmage 25% of the time, which is atrocious. That doesn't even include the times Morris or Taylor have gotten hit back there and then stumbled forward for a yard or two.

ALP 10-14-2009 12:54 PM

Re: Is Maroney running behind a pass protection offensive line?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unoriginal (Post 1550956)
If the line were opening holes that would probably tell you more about the running backs not having the speed to run away from the defense, or the ability to cleanly elude the isolated defender.

But footballoutsiders also has us down for the 28th worst "stuffed" ranking, where we get tackled at or behind the line of scrimmage 25% of the time, which is atrocious. That doesn't even include the times Morris or Taylor have gotten hit back there and then stumbled forward for a yard or two.

if the blocking is not suited to Maroney, why the hell hasnt BB changed the scheme?

he should have

maroney is ur star rb....u make the running game work around HIM

mcsully 10-14-2009 12:57 PM

Re: Is Maroney running behind a pass protection offensive line?
 
Even if we had the Cowboys OL of the 90's, he would dance in teh backfield.. The problem is on LM.. Yes maybe the OL isn't great at run blocking but when I see faulk and taylor make one cut and hit the hole, I know for a fact its more on LM than the OL..

He's not good.. Face it.. He's BB worst #1 pick..

The only way to salvage something from him is to throw a screen pass to him or lineup a FB in teh backfield with him and tell him to follow the lead blocker.. His vision BLOWS..


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