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skri65 12-21-2005 01:32 PM
Artrell Hawkins..the real deal?
 
Can he provide the stability we need in the secondary. Given, he's no rodney, but can he limit the big plays and show veteran leadership? More so than stone?

bostonbuzz 12-21-2005 01:37 PM
I'd say from what I've seen...yes.

Ochmed Jones 12-21-2005 01:39 PM
He's getting better each time I see him play. He'll never be the hitter or tackler that Rodney is, but his speed and coverage are better than Rodney's. It also looks like he's not blowing many assignments either. Stone has at least 1 lapse per game. I think Hawkins has helped stabilize a bad mess bad there. With two more games to go before the playoffs, I'm hoping he continues to improve while not breaking down like most of the others before him did.

Arizona Patsfan 12-21-2005 01:40 PM
Virtual Rodney
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by skri65
Can he provide the stability we need in the secondary. Given, he's no rodney, but can he limit the big plays and show veteran leadership? More so than stone?
Two complemantary players Stone on runs and Hawk on passes, melding to make a situation sub, and a virtual Rodney!

skri65 12-21-2005 01:43 PM
I"d rate our SS's coverage ability more important than his run support. We have shown we can already stop the run. We have too much inexperience in our secondary, and if Hawkins coverage is good enough to not give up the big play and good enough to maybe force an incompletion or two each game, I'd be a very happy man. Similalry, we'd all be very happy fans.

ilduce06410 12-21-2005 01:55 PM
SS in coverage?
 
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Originally Posted by skri65
I"d rate our SS's coverage ability more important than his run support. We have shown we can already stop the run. We have too much inexperience in our secondary, and if Hawkins coverage is good enough to not give up the big play and good enough to maybe force an incompletion or two each game, I'd be a very happy man. Similalry, we'd all be very happy fans.
IMHO BB likes his SSs to be hitters.
but that's with a secondary that plays the way BB's scheme is supposed to work.
with hank poteat and ellis hobbs out there at CB, it seems to me the SS has to be used more in coverage.
but yeah, i really want hawkins to succeed. we need him bad.
looks like he was well thought of everywhere he's been -- he certainly spent time on the field. wonder what happened?
wonder if corey put in a word?

Box_O_Rocks 12-21-2005 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ochmed Jones
He's getting better each time I see him play. He'll never be the hitter or tackler that Rodney is, but his speed and coverage are better than Rodney's. It also looks like he's not blowing many assignments either. Stone has at least 1 lapse per game. I think Hawkins has helped stabilize a bad mess bad there. With two more games to go before the playoffs, I'm hoping he continues to improve while not breaking down like most of the others before him did.
A quibble, I'd say Stone stabilized it and Hawkins has begun the upgrade, but spot on analysis.

Flying Fungi 12-21-2005 04:08 PM
Am I right in seeing Stone more on ST, Hawkins more in the backfield and Sanders edging out Stone for snaps?

T-ShirtDynasty 12-21-2005 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks
A quibble, I'd say Stone stabilized it and Hawkins has begun the upgrade, but spot on analysis.
Agreed, and while at first I thought Stone had an edge in run-support, I'm not so sure anymore. Not that I think Stone regressed, rather the Hawk has either progressed or I underestimated him because of the size.

PatsWickedPissah 12-21-2005 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Flying Fungi
Am I right in seeing Stone more on ST, Hawkins more in the backfield and Sanders edging out Stone for snaps?
You're right. I like both guys.


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