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Fogbuster 09-22-2009 02:38 AM
Socialized medical care: a Tort lawyer's dream
 
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See how it's done. Lousy medical care provides a bonanza for the legal leeches and parasites looking to get (steal) "money for nuthin' and chicks for free":

One in six NHS patients 'misdiagnosed'

As many as one in six patients treated in NHS hospitals and GPs’ surgeries is being misdiagnosed, experts have warned.

Doctors were making mistakes in up to 15 per cent of cases because they were too quick to judge patients’ symptoms, they said, while others were reluctant to ask more senior colleagues for help.

While in most cases the misdiagnosis did not result in the patient suffering serious harm, a sizeable number of the millions of NHS patients were likely to suffer significant health problems as a result, according to figures. It was said that the number of misdiagnoses was “just the tip of the iceberg”, with many people still reluctant to report mistakes by their doctors.

One in six NHS patients 'misdiagnosed' - Telegraph


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Fogbuster 09-22-2009 09:12 AM
Re: Socialized medical care: a Tort lawyer's dream
 
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Originally Posted by Fogbuster (Post 1516353)
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See how it's done. Lousy medical care provides a bonanza for the legal leeches and parasites looking to get (steal) "money for nuthin' and chicks for free":

One in six NHS patients 'misdiagnosed'

As many as one in six patients treated in NHS hospitals and GPs’ surgeries is being misdiagnosed, experts have warned.

Doctors were making mistakes in up to 15 per cent of cases because they were too quick to judge patients’ symptoms, they said, while others were reluctant to ask more senior colleagues for help.

While in most cases the misdiagnosis did not result in the patient suffering serious harm, a sizeable number of the millions of NHS patients were likely to suffer significant health problems as a result, according to figures. It was said that the number of misdiagnoses was “just the tip of the iceberg”, with many people still reluctant to report mistakes by their doctors.

One in six NHS patients 'misdiagnosed' - Telegraph
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Nobody wants to talk about this, but it strikes RIGHT AT THE HEART of the matter. Socialized medicine will be a tort lawyers dream come true. If you think medicine is expensive now, ..... just wait. Doctors will do career changes to become lawyers ... so they can retire even earlier.



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Wildo7 09-22-2009 09:55 AM
Re: Socialized medical care: a Tort lawyer's dream
 
Where's the U.S. figure to compare it with? Do the 40 million uninsured Americans that don't get diagnosed at all figure into it? I'm so shocked that you'd expect a discussion without any kind of comparison to the U.S. system.:rolleyes:

Oh look, it's even worse in the U.S.:

http://www.cureresearch.com/intro/common.htm

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The National Patient Safety Foundation (NPSF) commissioned a phone survey in 1997 to review patient opinions about medical mistakes. Of the people reporting a medical mistake (42%), 40% reported a "misdiagnosis or treatment error", but did not separate misdiagnosis from treatment errors. Respondents also reported that their doctor failed to make an adequate diagnosis in 9% of cases, and 8% of people cited misdiagnosis as a primary causal factor in the medical mistake. Loosely interpreting these facts gives a range of 8% to 42% rate for misdiagnoses.

Misdiagnosis rates in the ICU or Emergency Department have been studied, with rates ranging from 20% to 40%. These misdiagnosis rates are likely to be higher than the overall health care misdiagnosis rate because of the time-critical and serious nature of the diagnosis under these crisis conditions.

Malpractice and misdiagnosis: Another interesting fact is that a large proportion of malpractice cases are based on misdiagnosis or delayed treatment of serious conditions. Davenport (2000) lists the top five malpractice-risk conditions in order of prevalence as myocardial infarction, breast cancer, appendicitis, lung cancer and colon cancer, and notes that almost all suits are cases of misdiagnosis or mismanaged diagnostic tests leading to delayed treatment. Myocardial infarction and appendicitis are likely to be related to emergency department visits, whereas the three litigation-prone types of cancers are more common in general physician work.

Misdiagnosis in the emergency department: The rates of misdiagnosis in the emergency department or ICU have been studied. The majority of lawsuits involved the ED and of these, the majority involved delayed treatment and therefore presumably related to misdiagnosis. One study found a rate of 20% of misdiagnosis in the ICU.

Fogbuster 09-22-2009 10:48 AM
Re: Socialized medical care: a Tort lawyer's dream
 
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Originally Posted by Wildo7 (Post 1516676)
Where's the U.S. figure to compare it with? Do the 40 million uninsured Americans that don't get diagnosed at all figure into it? I'm so shocked that you'd expect a discussion without any kind of comparison to the U.S. system.:rolleyes:

Oh look, it's even worse in the U.S.:

How Common is Misdiagnosis? - CureResearch.com


And under Socialized Medical Care the incidence of mistakes will go down????


Please, go easy on that bong. I BEG you!!


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Patsfanin Philly 09-22-2009 11:30 AM
Re: Socialized medical care: a Tort lawyer's dream
 
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Originally Posted by Wildo7 (Post 1516676)
Where's the U.S. figure to compare it with? Do the 40 million uninsured Americans that don't get diagnosed at all figure into it? I'm so shocked that you'd expect a discussion without any kind of comparison to the U.S. system.:rolleyes:

Oh look, it's even worse in the U.S.:

How Common is Misdiagnosis? - CureResearch.com

While we need to compare the US to the UK, this isn't the correct study. Using a 12 year old survey based on a phone survey with patients???? We live in a society when a good percentage of the population can't even tell you what medication they take, "doc, it's a little white pill" and don't know what they are being treated for but you'll rely on them to tell you that they were misdiagnosed.That sure limits it.........
And the respondents were 40% of 42% who reported a mistake, a much lower percentage. The actual percentage may be the same in both countries or it may be higher in one but this is a joke of a study to use as comparison....

Wildo7 09-22-2009 03:52 PM
Re: Socialized medical care: a Tort lawyer's dream
 
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Originally Posted by Patsfanin Philly (Post 1516802)
While we need to compare the US to the UK, this isn't the correct study. Using a 12 year old survey based on a phone survey with patients???? We live in a society when a good percentage of the population can't even tell you what medication they take, "doc, it's a little white pill" and don't know what they are being treated for but you'll rely on them to tell you that they were misdiagnosed.That sure limits it.........
And the respondents were 40% of 42% who reported a mistake, a much lower percentage. The actual percentage may be the same in both countries or it may be higher in one but this is a joke of a study to use as comparison....
I agree but it's the only one I could find on short notice. :p

Fogbuster 09-22-2009 04:05 PM
Re: Socialized medical care: a Tort lawyer's dream
 
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Originally Posted by Wildo7 (Post 1517184)
I agree but it's the only one I could find on short notice. :p


Oh, just send him a check and stop with the "I know" bs. You didn't have a clue until he mentioned it. :rolleyes:


Study methodologies and metrics aside, anybody who thinks that socialized medicine will produce FEWER tort cases to keep greedy lawyers at the feeding trough is just wishful thinking .... you need to see the guy in the trench coat down by the Brooklyn Bridge for a "real deal", a "steal of a deal" ...... :rolleyes:...........................:rolleyes:



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Wildo7 09-22-2009 04:08 PM
Re: Socialized medical care: a Tort lawyer's dream
 
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Originally Posted by Fogbuster (Post 1517200)
Oh, just send him a check and stop with the "I know" bs. You didn't have a clue until he mentioned it. :rolleyes:


Study methodologies and metrics aside, anybody who thinks that socialized medicine will produce FEWER tort cases to keep greedy lawyers at the feeding trough is just wishful thinking .... you need to see the guy in the trench coat down by the Brooklyn Bridge for a "real deal", a "steal of a deal" ...... :rolleyes:...........................:rolleyes:



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You're a fucking idiot, plain and simple. Your thread is beyond worthless.

Fogbuster 09-22-2009 04:15 PM
Re: Socialized medical care: a Tort lawyer's dream
 
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Originally Posted by Wildo7 (Post 1517204)
You're a fucking idiot, plain and simple. Your thread is beyond worthless.


Tough day at the track?? Casino took all your money??


Tsk, tsk.


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Wildo7 09-22-2009 04:24 PM
Re: Socialized medical care: a Tort lawyer's dream
 
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Originally Posted by Fogbuster (Post 1517213)
Tough day at the track?? Casino took all your money??


Tsk, tsk.


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You posted an article by a biased, trashy tabloid paper that points to a dubious statistic. You gave no comparison to our system and when it was pointed out that discussion is worthless unless there's a comparative study for the U.S. or ANY kind of context, you simply said "you think it's gonna be better if we adopt a socialized system?"

It's not possible to have an adult discussion when dealing with that level of thick-headedness.

So no, I didn't go to the track today, gamble or smoke pot or whatever other useless one-liner you can pull out of your limited mental reservoir, and yes, you're still a fucking clueless idiot who relishes in not knowing anything.


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