Dale and Holly...Something just doesn't seem right
 

I have though there was a back story in all of this after the trade..and it seems that D&H think so as well. Holly is quite connected with the team and really seems at a loss to undesrtand it..the timing and the way it was done. Arnold also sees it that way, but I really think MH has a real gut feeling there's a LOT that happened that caused this.
I would really kind of skoff at it if it were a Felger or a Borges or others..but Holly has been connected and while he doesn't have exact knowledge..he knows how the team operates and this he said was way out of the norm.
Who knows what exactly happened..why so quick..and for a player who has done so much for the franchise to have so little on the Pats web site and so few words from the FO...it just seems like something is amiss.
Maybe it will stay hidden..maybe not but it seems like something is not all that right in the way this was done.

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Ah, That's just D&H speculating. What you have here, is a Trade and a press release from the Patriots. Go back and check all the other trades and see what followed.

Now, if you are expecting more because it was Richard and not Hobbs or some other player that was traded - Then I think everyone has forgotten about how the Patriots do business - Including Dale and Holley.

You can go on and on about the contributions to the team and community and the Super Bowls and I'll agree with you on all that - Richard was special. VERY SPECIAL. I loved the guy and was shocked yesterday.

But Bill deals with these things eerily similar no matter the player.

Holley's pissed becasue they traded Hobb's and he's not going to get over it anytime soon - He needs to learn to be objective.

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Well, here's a total outsider's view on what might have happened. Richard Seymour was a fabulous player for his first 5 years for the Pats. Maybe he didn't always do what BB wanted (I think he worked out at home; then there was the incident with returning late from a relative's funeral), but he was so good, BB let it go. Then prior to 2006 he held out of camp for a new deal. He finally got it, but grudgingly, because it is definitely NOT the way the Pats do business. Then he gets injured. Knee(s) are in bad shape and prevent him from being a dominant player for both the 2006 and 2007 seasons. People openingly question a lot (on Patsfans and other places) whether he is "dogging it" or "done."

He has a better year in 2008. Maybe he looks a little slow in training camp and BB is afraid he'll revert to 2006/2007 form, and he's got a few new guys that are younger and faster, but right now they are behind Seymour on the depth chart; maybe it still sticks in BB's craw that this guy got a new deal by holding out, and now we have the specter not only of him doing it again after this season, when his deal is up (although I guess he wouldn't hold out as he'd be a free agent), but more importantly inviting some of his close friends [Vince Wilfork anyone] to play hardball, because he did it and look what he got. Then the Raiders call with this ridiculous offer of a coveted 1st round pick in a year where there might be a rookie salary cap. BB pulls the trigger because: 1) he thinks he can make up for Seymour's production with the guys he has; 2) He's rid of the headache of trying to resign a guy who plays hardball in a year when he has lots of people to resign; 3) he sends a subtle message to the rest of the team that I'll send you to hell in a handbasket if you push me too far; 4) he gets a coveted first round pick for a guy he probably can't resign a year from now.

While the whole thing seems harsh and hurtful to us fans (and it is - I wanted to cry when I heard the news - so much change in our team), it really isn't that surprising when you think about it. It's hard to like it, but not hard to understand it.

Re: Dale and Holly...Something just doesn't seem right
 

Remember how shocked everyone was in 2003 when Milloy was flat out released?
Did we recover? Memory serves we only lost 4 games including playoffs the next two years!

That's how I am looking at this....:cool:

Re: Dale and Holly...Something just doesn't seem right
 

Seymour, or No Seymour...

IIRC, Seymour missed 14 games, and the team went 12W/2L, so you can make of that what you will.

Not making any judgement calls, as the trade took me by surprise as well, but like coach says: "It is what it is".

Re: Dale and Holly...Something just doesn't seem right
 

All this here. Except the part about wanting to cry. :)

Re: Dale and Holly...Something just doesn't seem right
 

...and the part about the Raiders offering a 2011 1st rounder. That was BB's demand.

Re: Dale and Holly...Something just doesn't seem right
 

I am well aware of what happened with Milloy and the fire the team was after that..an inferno..in two years time...two Lombardis.
But with Milloy, the story was known...salary cap issues..didn't want to lower the cap number so cut..fairly easy in some ways..but zippo here..really..

Re: Dale and Holly...Something just doesn't seem right
 

I think you're reading too much into it. After all the obvious and sound reasons why they would trade Seymour and the way that BB and the Pats handle the organization within their business model and to simply quote the master himself, "is what it is."

Re: Dale and Holly...Something just doesn't seem right
 

Trims payroll
Recoups draft pick
Eliminates distraction
Lights a fire