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DaBruinz 09-02-2009 10:50 PM

Pass Interference... can someone explain??
 
OK.. I re-watched the game against the Skins and I have to say that the referees have me totally and utterly confused (/SARCASM) about what is Pass Interference.

Play One:

Patriots are in a 4 WR set with Baker lined up as the slot receiver on the left and Moss is the slot Receiver on the right.

Moss runs short crossing pattern from right to left where he runs up 3 yards and then cuts across, taking the man in coverage with him. Baker also runs a crossing pattern, but its from left to right. He runs out the 4 yards and then cuts across. The whole time Baker is running, the defender is jamming him and impeding his right to run his round. Mainly because he's within the 5 yards.

Moss's defender tries to avoid Baker as Moss is making the reception, yet still clips Baker, who is knocked over..

The Result: Baker gets called for Pass Interference..



The other play:
The Redskins have two receiver on the left hand side who seem to be running streaks. However, they cross their route about 8 yards out. As they do, the inside receiver clearly hits the outside Pats defender and also runs into Butler, who is trying to stay with him.

The Result: Butler gets called for the Illegal contact. He also got called for the Pass interference when their legs got caught up going into the endzone, but the ball should have been ruled uncatchable.

So, how is it that, in both cases, the Redskins players initiate the contact, yet the Pats players are the one flagged???

Patspsycho 09-02-2009 11:25 PM

Re: Pass Interference... can someone explain??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBruinz (Post 1482095)
OK.. I re-watched the game against the Skins and I have to say that the referees have me totally and utterly confused (/SARCASM) about what is Pass Interference.

Play One:

Patriots are in a 4 WR set with Baker lined up as the slot receiver on the left and Moss is the slot Receiver on the right.

Moss runs short crossing pattern from right to left where he runs up 3 yards and then cuts across, taking the man in coverage with him. Baker also runs a crossing pattern, but its from left to right. He runs out the 4 yards and then cuts across. The whole time Baker is running, the defender is jamming him and impeding his right to run his round. Mainly because he's within the 5 yards.

Moss's defender tries to avoid Baker as Moss is making the reception, yet still clips Baker, who is knocked over..

The Result: Baker gets called for Pass Interference..


Unlike you I don't have DVR, but I do remember this play and the way I saw it, Baker got called for a pick.

Patriotic Fervor 09-02-2009 11:36 PM

Re: Pass Interference... can someone explain??
 
All this really means is, the officials are obviously already in mid-season form!

nashvillepatsfan 09-03-2009 01:26 AM

Re: Pass Interference... can someone explain??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBruinz (Post 1482095)
OK.. I re-watched the game against the Skins and I have to say that the referees have me totally and utterly confused (/SARCASM) about what is Pass Interference.

Play One:

Patriots are in a 4 WR set with Baker lined up as the slot receiver on the left and Moss is the slot Receiver on the right.

Moss runs short crossing pattern from right to left where he runs up 3 yards and then cuts across, taking the man in coverage with him. Baker also runs a crossing pattern, but its from left to right. He runs out the 4 yards and then cuts across. The whole time Baker is running, the defender is jamming him and impeding his right to run his round. Mainly because he's within the 5 yards.

Moss's defender tries to avoid Baker as Moss is making the reception, yet still clips Baker, who is knocked over..

The Result: Baker gets called for Pass Interference..



The other play:
The Redskins have two receiver on the left hand side who seem to be running streaks. However, they cross their route about 8 yards out. As they do, the inside receiver clearly hits the outside Pats defender and also runs into Butler, who is trying to stay with him.

The Result: Butler gets called for the Illegal contact. He also got called for the Pass interference when their legs got caught up going into the endzone, but the ball should have been ruled uncatchable.

So, how is it that, in both cases, the Redskins players initiate the contact, yet the Pats players are the one flagged???

clearly the officials suck :D

seriously though. Its my understanding that within 5 yards of the los, they can slam each other all they want. So why was there any penalty? When Polian (oops i mean the Nfl) changed the rule years ago, i understood it to mean anything goes within 5 yards.

Batman 09-03-2009 02:11 AM

Re: Pass Interference... can someone explain??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nashvillepatsfan (Post 1482183)
seriously though. Its my understanding that within 5 yards of the los, they can slam each other all they want. So why was there any penalty? When Polian (oops i mean the Nfl) changed the rule years ago, i understood it to mean anything goes within 5 yards.

within 5 yards is fine until the ball has left the qb's hand then no contact until the ball reaches the receiver's hands.

pencilneckgeek 09-03-2009 05:23 AM

Re: Pass Interference... can someone explain??
 
IMO they don't call picks nearly enough. They blew the call by flagging Butler, as usual, and happened to get it right with Baker.

bigcountry75 09-03-2009 06:08 AM

Re: Pass Interference... can someone explain??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Batman (Post 1482222)
within 5 yards is fine until the ball has left the qb's hand then no contact until the ball reaches the receiver's hands.

This is correct. One thing that pisses me off is that anytime defenders have incidental contact with the WR they usually call Defensive PI. It seems like the defender has no rights to the ball anymore, can't bump the receiver too hard or blow on him too hard without getting a flag. They want an offensive game for the fans but that takes away from the hard nosed Defenses.

tanked_as_usual 09-03-2009 07:41 AM

Re: Pass Interference... can someone explain??
 
it is done to counteract to the equally stupid methods of calling offensive-holding

pencilneckgeek 09-03-2009 10:00 AM

Re: Pass Interference... can someone explain??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigcountry75 (Post 1482295)
This is correct. One thing that pisses me off is that anytime defenders have incidental contact with the WR they usually call Defensive PI. It seems like the defender has no rights to the ball anymore, can't bump the receiver too hard or blow on him too hard without getting a flag. They want an offensive game for the fans but that takes away from the hard nosed Defenses.

My biggest complaint is how defensive PI penalties make me feel like I'm watching South American football (not that there's anything wrong with that).

DaBruinz 09-03-2009 10:08 AM

Re: Pass Interference... can someone explain??
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Batman (Post 1482222)
within 5 yards is fine until the ball has left the qb's hand then no contact until the ball reaches the receiver's hands.


Ok, can you explain why Baker got the penalty when he was the one who got bumped and knocked down? That is what doesn't make any sense.


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