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PatsFanInVa 06-12-2009 07:01 PM

J. Wright - OOOPS, not JEWS, Zionists.
 
The Daily Press (a Newport News paper) quotes Wright as saying he "should have said Zionist."

Here on our own forum, we've witnessed the "scratch the Zionist-basher, find a Jew-hater" phenomenon. They get flustered, forget the code word, and say what they really think.

I know the rabid right thinks that guilt by association is very, very important. Frankly, I go by what I see, how a person behaves, and I'm fine w/Obama. Knowing an anti-semite is not a disqualifier for me.

I mean, what if I ran for president and someone dragged up every opinion from people posting on Patsfans?

At any rate: I'm fascinated by the "oops I meant Zionists" angle of Wright's latest idiocy, since I see the same thing here.

Discuss.

PFnV

reflexblue 06-12-2009 07:13 PM

Re: J. Wright - OOOPS, not JEWS, Zionists.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa (Post 1406061)
The Daily Press (a Newport News paper) quotes Wright as saying he "should have said Zionist."

Here on our own forum, we've witnessed the "scratch the Zionist-basher, find a Jew-hater" phenomenon. They get flustered, forget the code word, and say what they really think.

I know the rabid right thinks that guilt by association is very, very important. Frankly, I go by what I see, how a person behaves, and I'm fine w/Obama. Knowing an anti-semite is not a disqualifier for me.

I mean, what if I ran for president and someone dragged up every opinion from people posting on Patsfans?

At any rate: I'm fascinated by the "oops I meant Zionists" angle of Wright's latest idiocy, since I see the same thing here.

Discuss.

PFnV

Its getting pretty ugly out there PViV. In the last few days maybe a week i've noticed a lot of anti-semitism. The downturn in the world economy and loss of jobs has brought the hate out. These people have to have someone or something to blame their misfortune on. Unfortunately for some reason the Jews that are the target, just as they have for thousands of years. What i don't understand is the Lt. jumping in. And i'm not talking about wright, we have some here Mavoric for example can only see the Palistinian side. Of course i predict in short order that someone from the right is going to say no its not, thats who they are ....People that hate. I go by what i see, that is actions. And from what i've seen it would be out of charector for Obama to be anti-semetic.

Michael 06-12-2009 09:35 PM

Re: J. Wright - OOOPS, not JEWS, Zionists.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa (Post 1406061)
The Daily Press (a Newport News paper) quotes Wright as saying he "should have said Zionist."

Here on our own forum, we've witnessed the "scratch the Zionist-basher, find a Jew-hater" phenomenon. They get flustered, forget the code word, and say what they really think.

I know the rabid right thinks that guilt by association is very, very important. Frankly, I go by what I see, how a person behaves, and I'm fine w/Obama. Knowing an anti-semite is not a disqualifier for me.

I mean, what if I ran for president and someone dragged up every opinion from people posting on Patsfans?

At any rate: I'm fascinated by the "oops I meant Zionists" angle of Wright's latest idiocy, since I see the same thing here.

Discuss.

PFnV

Yeah he only has a passing association with his church and the rev he choose to marry him and baptize his kids. Got it.

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I know the rabid right thinks that guilt by association is very, very important.
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maverick4 06-12-2009 09:44 PM

Re: J. Wright - OOOPS, not JEWS, Zionists.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by reflexblue (Post 1406071)
And i'm not talking about wright, we have some here Mavoric for example can only see the Palistinian side.

I don't only see the Palestinian side, I see both sides, which we pretty much don't get from exposure to US media. Jon Stewart, a Jewish American, even recently mocked the ridiculously Israeli-biased US media on The Daily Show during Israel's recent failed attacks.

Zionists also brand Jimmy Carter and the former Dean of Harvard Law School as anti-semites too. That word gets thrown around way too much nowadays, from CRAZY biased Zionists who brand any criticisms of AIPAC or Israel as meaning you hate Jews.

Go onto JPost sometime and read the Israeli hysteria over Obama. There are some crazies posting there who probably wouldn't hesitate to kill Obama or the next Rabin, over any sort of conciliation with the Palestinians.

Even among the non-extremists, you have these completely biased Zionists like PFnV who let their Zionism color pretty much any issue. The guy takes everything personally, and even defends Bush and fights 9/11 evidence because of his over-paranoid fears linking 9/11 with Israel.
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Here is Israel's defense minister saying Netanyahu's policies basically mean apartheid. He'll probably be called a Jew-hater and be character assassinated by the Zionist machine in short order.

[“The current government was formed with the commitment to respect the deals reached by preceding governments,” Barak told public radio ahead of a speech by Netanyahu on Sunday to lay down his peace policies.

These include “the roadmap which clearly states that the conflict must be resolved on the principle of two states for two peoples,” said the head of center-left Labour party, the most moderate member of Netanyahu’s otherwise right-leaning Cabinet.

“If such a solution fails, there will be only one political entity from the Jordan Valley to the Mediterranean — the state of Israel. Under such a scenario, if the Palestinians have the right to vote, it will no longer be a Jewish state, but a bi-national state. And if they don’t have the right to vote, it will be an APARTHEID regime,” the former prime minister said.]

-- Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak, July 2009

PatsFanInVa 06-12-2009 10:10 PM

Re: J. Wright - OOOPS, not JEWS, Zionists.
 
I'll leave Mav aside for a moment, Reflex, and come back to him.

I agree w/you, regarding Obama. One does need to separate out issues, rather than just throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. I am worried like a lot of right wingers about spending. I also see no alternative, and note the conditions under which the spending is happening. Were we not awash in the recent auto-post frenzy we could discuss this stuff (and of course, just rip into each other etc.)

I also agree w/what you are seeing in re: the current lurch into antisemitism, especially among the fringes. We're used to it though, and the current conditions fall into the textbook pre-pogrom scenario. In the middle ages, they happened around Easter. Now it's economic downturns.

Mav's evidently convinced that I now "defend Bush and fight 9/11 evidence," and continues to use "Zionist" as if it's a dirty word. It is defined by the belief in the legitimacy of the State of Israel. And yes, despite his assertion that I have defended Bush (I am sure I have on one occasion or another, on the blind squirrel principal alone,) and evidence, quite frankly, stands up to criticism, if you have any.

I have, however, correctly identified ol' Mav as having made the same "slip-up" as Wright, screwing up his code words -- which is what's likely got him in a lather right now (when he's not trolling JPost.)

At any rate, this is a familiar position for Jews, that of being blamed for everything and its opposite. A right-wing fanatic thinks Jews and Blacks are conspiring to disenfranchise whites; a left-wing fanatic thinks -- and announces it on the very same day -- that Jews are keeping him from access to Barack Obama.

The terminological do-si-do to get the code-words straight is telling, whether done by a kid who wants to be liked in his scholastic radical circles, or a reverend still fighting the battles of the 60s.

We've got plenty of race-baiting of various other kinds on this forum, on a fairly regular basis, and of course I don't appreciate that either. It's just dumb. One of the aspects of this presidency, to me, has been that many of us are growing up and moving past that... but there are always those who cannot, whether because they're dinosaurs or just plain silly.

PFnV

wistahpatsfan 06-12-2009 10:56 PM

Re: J. Wright - OOOPS, not JEWS, Zionists.
 
Holy bull*****...not this again!

PatsFanInVa 06-13-2009 05:08 AM

Re: J. Wright - OOOPS, not JEWS, Zionists.
 
Go figger.

One star it if ya don't like it! :D

Just a simple observation:

- There is legitimate opposition to expansionists of any ilk.
- It is legitimate to discuss, as an academic exercise, the necessity of Zionism.
- To my mind, anyone with any knowledge of history has a difficult time opining against said necessity; however, I could take a similar stance from the POV that the United States should not exist (as have a few fringe righties on a consistent basis,)

- However, there is also a select contingent, regrettably on the fringe left, who use "Zionist" as a code word for "Jews." If it's not obvious enough from context it becomes glaringly obvious when they slip up, miss their cues, and drop their code words.

It's actually more funny than anything, but if these individuals are taken seriously, it's ugly.

PFnV

Harry Boy 06-13-2009 07:01 AM

Re: J. Wright - OOOPS, not JEWS, Zionists.
 
Barack Hussein Obama and his wife spent 20 YEARS listening to Jeremiah Wright spew his *****, Obama and his wife sat in that Racist Anti Semitic Congregation, that Racist Congregation "screamed and praised their God" whenever Uncle Jeremiah opened his filthy hateful mouth.

If Barack Hussein Obama is so wonderful and pure why didn't he and his wife stand up and walk out of that Racist Church 19 YEARS AGO.

Wonderful Beautiful Prince Obama has another side, that evil side will emerge his Agenda won't allow it to stay hidden.

REMEMBER BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA USED TO CALL THE RACIST WRIGHT "UNCLE JEREMIAH"

wistahpatsfan 06-13-2009 07:21 AM

Re: J. Wright - OOOPS, not JEWS, Zionists.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa (Post 1406281)
Go figger.

One star it if ya don't like it! :D

Just a simple observation:

- There is legitimate opposition to expansionists of any ilk.
- It is legitimate to discuss, as an academic exercise, the necessity of Zionism.
- To my mind, anyone with any knowledge of history has a difficult time opining against said necessity; however, I could take a similar stance from the POV that the United States should not exist (as have a few fringe righties on a consistent basis,)

- However, there is also a select contingent, regrettably on the fringe left, who use "Zionist" as a code word for "Jews." If it's not obvious enough from context it becomes glaringly obvious when they slip up, miss their cues, and drop their code words.

It's actually more funny than anything, but if these individuals are taken seriously, it's ugly.
PFnV

Nothing pisses off a Jew-hating Nazi more than getting laughed at, IMO. I did it once at the Rod n Gun Club. This dude dressed in a Harley costume comes in...never seen him before...and after a couple of Shirley Temples starts ranting about "Mexicans, niggers, Jews, and mongrels". I went over to the guy who brought him in and said (loud enough for everyone to hear) "Where'd you dig up this road kill?". The whole place laughed out loud, especially the Irish/black/Indian/Canadian guy behind the bar.

Well, sissy boy on steroids shrunk down like a prune and slipped outside, staring at me through the window. I went outside and aked him if he had a problem and he told me I was lucky he didn't have his pistol on him. I told him I had mine in my jeans between my legs and if he didn't get the fugg outta here, I was gonna use it on him (I was bluffing). I think the threat of getting the bum's rush either excited him or brought back bad memories of prison, so he got on his vibrator and took off. That was one of the most satisfying afternoons of my life without having sex (thank Santa I didn't have to go there!)

Harry Boy 06-13-2009 08:11 AM

Re: J. Wright - OOOPS, not JEWS, Zionists.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wistahpatsfan (Post 1406308)
Nothing pisses off a Jew-hating Nazi more than getting laughed at, IMO. I did it once at the Rod n Gun Club. This dude dressed in a Harley costume comes in...never seen him before...and after a couple of Shirley Temples starts ranting about "Mexicans, niggers, Jews, and mongrels". I went over to the guy who brought him in and said (loud enough for everyone to hear) "Where'd you dig up this road kill?". The whole place laughed out loud, especially the Irish/black/Indian/Canadian guy behind the bar.

Well, sissy boy on steroids shrunk down like a prune and slipped outside, staring at me through the window. I went outside and aked him if he had a problem and he told me I was lucky he didn't have his pistol on him. I told him I had mine in my jeans between my legs and if he didn't get the fugg outta here, I was gonna use it on him (I was bluffing). I think the threat of getting the bum's rush either excited him or brought back bad memories of prison, so he got on his vibrator and took off. That was one of the most satisfying afternoons of my life without having sex (thank Santa I didn't have to go there!)

When guy's like him come out of jail they still have all that Racism in them, America's Prisons are the most segregated, racists places on earth.


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