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NEPatriot 05-21-2009 01:29 PM

Yes, WE CAN BELIEVE !!!!!!!
 
This pledge is ENDORCED and APPROVED by Obama Democratic Socialist Party.

YES, WE BELIEVED THAT Obama was our hopeful change.
YES, WE BELIEVED THAT the only way the change could happen was to go to ACORN.
YES, WE BELIEVED THAT it was the waste of tax payers' money when the FBI investigated ACORN for fraud voter registration.
YES, WE BELIEVED THAT giving ACORN more money would increase the number of voters at the poll.
YES, WE BELIEVED THAT it was acceptable for Obama's pastor to say God Damn American but it was racist and unacceptable for criticizing Obama.
YES, WE BELIEVED THAT Obama's education in a muslum country would help us understand Muslum culture.
YES, WE BELIEVED THAT Obama's friendship with terrorists in US would help us win the war in terror and increase his change to be the president of US.
YES, WE BELIEVED THAT it was OK for Obama to promise everybody everything and do less or nothing in the office.
YES, WE BELIEVED THAT the only way to make Obama show his REAL birth certificate was to go through line by line of all thousand lawsuits in federal and state courts and DELETE them all.
YES, WE BELIEVED THAT Obama's dogs ATE his birth certificate.
YES, WE BELIEVED THAT it was a democratic process to select our current US president.


YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT USA credit rating is as good as the third world country.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT socialist is better than capitalist.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT we can increase our country debt to be more than 1.8T.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT we can cut every program at federal, state, and local.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT the only way to improve customers' spending is to limit their credit cards.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT Michelle Obama will eventually look more beautiful than Sara Palin AFTER maxing out her credit card for shoes, cloth,makeup, and facelift.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT the only way to keep our country from being broke is to keep our money printing machine running.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT Obama will direct us to his welfare offices when we don't have a job.

YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT it is the right move to throw a White House officer under the bus when it costed too much to have a photo op of new Air Force One in New York.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT it is a good idea to fly a chef from another state to Washington to make our dear leader, Obama,some pizza.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT we should give terrorists free medicare, 3 meals a day, and a place to stay and worship in US because it costs too much to keep them at Guantamo Bay.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT the only way for us to truly learn America values and principles is to tune in Obama press conference and liberal news media.


YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT it is acceptable to pour money into brankrupted companies and banks while US citizens don't have a job and house and are starving to death.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT the stock market can still go up when the earning is historically down by investing worthless billion dollars in the stock.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT it is better for us to have a bigger government to control everybody and corporate.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT we can live in a cage or fox hole or under the bridge with a warm blanket and walk with our barefoot and use donkeys to transport our mails as a way to keep the earth atmosphere cool.


YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT every RON PAUL's supporter should support Obama because Obama reminds them of RON PAUL's childhood.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT it is a good deal to pay 2000000 dollars for a crappy 50mpg car.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT we have no problem paying any penalty when our current cars don't meet Obama's high standard.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT we love it when Obama taxes us 20% of everything.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT we will be better off without a broke Social Security or any retirement program when we are retired.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT we accomplish all of the above ONLY in 100 days.
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT we can do it again in 2012.


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DarrylS 05-21-2009 01:38 PM

Re: Yes, WE CAN BELIEVE PLEDGE
 
Your post is poorly written and makes little sense, all it is all the RW talking points begged and not verified.. don't quit your day job..

The problem is that you are trying to write something you do not believe in, thus nonsense ensues..

Mabeyitstrue 05-21-2009 01:40 PM

Re: Yes, WE CAN BELIEVE PLEDGE
 
So why don't you run for office then? You seem to have all the answers, you have it all figured out don't ya smart guy.......

Everyday I see someone just like you so quick to jump the gun, your the kinda guy that thinks, only if ppl would do it my way things would work better right? Well do it then!

Excuses are like A-Holes everyone has one, so what's yours? cause I know you have one for not going out and running for office, what is it the kids?wife?job? things don't get better in the US you might loose all of them, so imo you should run for office! Put your money where your mouth is.......

Patters 05-21-2009 02:05 PM

Re: Yes, WE CAN BELIEVE !!!!!!!
 
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT there are still some people who haven't learned their lesson and continue to fall for the fear, fear, fear, hate, hate, hate, lie, lie, lie tactics of the shrinking, aging Republican Party.

BelichickFan 05-21-2009 02:09 PM

Re: Yes, WE CAN BELIEVE !!!!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by Patters (Post 1388591)
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT there are still some people who haven't learned their lesson and continue to fall for the fear, fear, fear, hate, hate, hate, lie, lie, lie tactics of the shrinking, aging Republican Party.

It won't be shrinking for long when people wake up and see what obama has done. My God, I didn't like Bush but this is just horrible. I have no idea how we come back from these deficits.

DarrylS 05-21-2009 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mabeyitstrue (Post 1388571)
So why don't you run for office then? You seem to have all the answers, you have it all figured out don't ya smart guy.......

Everyday I see someone just like you so quick to jump the gun, your the kinda guy that thinks, only if ppl would do it my way things would work better right? Well do it then!

Excuses are like A-Holes everyone has one, so what's yours? cause I know you have one for not going out and running for office, what is it the kids?wife?job? things don't get better in the US you might loose all of them, so imo you should run for office! Put your money where your mouth is.......

If you are referring to me you don't know your butt from your elbow.. read the thread posted by one of our resident Right Wingers Extreme and tell me it is true and/or well written.. it is a combination of every comment that has been debunked by reliable sources and is a compendium of all the conspiracy comments that are found on RW blogs..it is what it is BS pure and simple.. most of which makes little sense and is usually out of context.. defend him if you want, that is what makes america great.. personally I sit back with a big smile, cause this is a classic example of the dumbing down of America.

stevedogc 05-21-2009 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters (Post 1388591)
YES, WE CAN BELIEVE THAT there are still some people who haven't learned their lesson and continue to fall for the fear, fear, fear, hate, hate, hate, lie, lie, lie tactics of the shrinking, aging Republican Party.

fear, hate and lie? Obama has been doing that from the start. He pressured people into passing the Stimulus package by fear mongering them about how the economy may never come back if they did not pass the bill asap. So much so that no one read the thing.

He also was the one who at the start of the presidential compaign claimed that the Republicans were going to makes claims that Obama didnt look like past Presidents on American currency and did not have the same American sounding name as them.

The Republicans are as guilty as anyone, but Obama has been just as bad as any other politician out there in terms of spreading hate, lies and fear. He's no better then anyone else.

Patters 05-21-2009 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stevedogc
fear, hate and lie? Obama has been doing that from the start. He pressured people into passing the Stimulus package by fear mongering them about how the economy may never come back if they did not pass the bill asap. So much so that no one read the thing.

He pressured people to move quickly so that the recession didn't linger any more than necessary. The concerns were certainly reasonable and even acknowledged at the end of the Bush administration, when Congress recognized the need to act quickly to prevent an economic freefall. It's a very small minority who believe that the government should not have done nothing to address the economic crisis early on. And as far as reading the bill, the formula was based on each state getting a certain amount of money, so each legislator was really only responsible for reading the part of the bill that affected his or her state.

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Originally Posted by stevedogc
He also was the one who at the start of the presidential compaign claimed that the Republicans were going to makes claims that Obama didnt look like past Presidents on American currency and did not have the same American sounding name as them.

And they did, implying he's not an American citizen, he's a Muslim, he's a Marxist or Communist, and so on. Where were you?

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Originally Posted by stevedogc
The Republicans are as guilty as anyone, but Obama has been just as bad as any other politician out there in terms of spreading hate, lies and fear. He's no better then anyone else.

Who did Obama call a Marxist, a Communist, a friend of terrorists, weak on defending America? What leading Democrat said they hoped Bush would fail? Obama's certainly not soft, but he's been relatively civil, has embraced far greater transparency, and has even reached across the aisle to look for common ground.

stevedogc 05-21-2009 05:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Patters (Post 1388628)
He pressured people to move quickly so that the recession didn't linger any more than necessary. The concerns were certainly reasonable and even acknowledged at the end of the Bush administration, when Congress recognized the need to act quickly to prevent an economic freefall. It's a very small minority who believe that the government should not have done nothing to address the economic crisis early on. And as far as reading the bill, the formula was based on each state getting a certain amount of money, so each legislator was really only responsible for reading the part of the bill that affected his or her state.

Of course there were concerns, and deservedly so. I dont think anyone is going to deny the fact that something needed to be done to try to get the economy moving in the right direction. But Obama's use of the words like "catastrphe" and claims that the current economic crisis was the greatest this country has ever seen were either an exageration or false statements. Obama seemed to be very eager to get his stimulus package passed with as little opposition as possible. With little to no regard for the ideas of Republicans, be them right or wrong. He seems kind of odd that the bill was approved without one person reviewing the bill. Only to find out later that this bill contained things that Obama claimed he would never allow in a stimulus package or budget of his: Earmarks. I guess you can count that as a lie for Obama.


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Originally Posted by Patters (Post 1388628)
And they did, implying he's not an American citizen, he's a Muslim, he's a Marxist or Communist, and so on. Where were you?

Well that funny because I never heard John McCain say those things. But like I said earlier, I certainly heard Obama bring up the issue of race during the campaign.



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Originally Posted by Patters (Post 1388628)
Who did Obama call a Marxist, a Communist, a friend of terrorists, weak on defending America? What leading Democrat said they hoped Bush would fail? Obama's certainly not soft, but he's been relatively civil, has embraced far greater transparency, and has even reached across the aisle to look for common ground.

And how did he reach across the aisle? He basically told the Republicans that his version of the Stimulus package, complete with earmarks, was just fine and that he was not interested in their ideas. Then he offered the commerce secretary position Republican Judd Gregg. And how did he show his ability to "reach across the aisle" with him? He caved into to pressure from Democrates to take certain powers and/or abilities away from Gregg, specifically concerning the census, so he would not be able to have to much power as the commerce secretary. He basically tried to water the position down so the republicans could never benfit from it.

Patters 05-21-2009 05:26 PM

Re: Yes, WE CAN BELIEVE !!!!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by stevedogc
Of course there were concerns, and deservedly so. I dont think anyone is going to deny the fact that something needed to be done to try to get the economy moving in the right direction. But Obama's use of the words like "catastrphe" and claims that the current economic crisis was the greatest this country has ever seen were either an exageration or false statements. Obama seemed to be very eager to get his stimulus package passed with as little opposition as possible. With little to no regard for the ideas of Republicans, be them right or wrong. He seems kind of odd that the bill was approved without one person reviewing the bill. Only to find out later that this bill contained things that Obama claimed he would never allow in a stimulus package or budget of his: Earmarks. I guess you can count that as a lie for Obama.

There was considerable consensus that we were in crisis, and in fact may still be. Obama did meet with Republicans and managed to make compromises that won over three in the Senate. The fact that none of the Republicans in the House voted for the package tells me that the Republicans were not willing to compromise and preferred to follow a Party line. if they had not done that, Obama certainly would have made a compromise to pick off a few Republican votes in the House if only to prove his bipartisanship.

As far as earmarks go, it's political nonsense. Most earmarks are perfectly valid, and are important to addressing a specific local need (a school bus for a senior citizen center, funding of a research program that addresses a legitimate agricultural issue, etc.). I don't think the stimulus bill contained earmarks, but there was a later bill that contained them that Obama chose to allow to go through for no particularly good reason.


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Originally Posted by stevedogc
Well that funny because I never heard John McCain say those things. But like I said earlier, I certainly heard Obama bring up the issue of race during the campaign.

Well, certainly you heard Palin bring up such things, not to mention Hannity, Limbaugh, and others. As far as Obama bringing up the issue of race, I don't recall the exact context, but I believe he was right on target. I don't think he ever said that the McCain would raise that issue. McCain and Obama ran relatively civilized campaigns.

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Originally Posted by stevedogc
And how did he reach across the aisle? He basically told the Republicans that his version of the Stimulus package, complete with earmarks, was just fine and that he was not interested in their ideas. Then he offered the commerce secretary position Republican Judd Gregg. And how did he show his ability to "reach across the aisle" with him? He caved into to pressure from Democrats to take certain powers and/or abilities away from Gregg, specifically concerning the census, so he would not be able to have to much power as the commerce secretary. He basically tried to water the position down so the republicans could never benefit from it.

He has appointed a number of Republicans. Gregg backed out because he disagreed with Obama's economic policy. As far as the census goes, well, there's no way that Obama would hand that kind of authority to a Republican because the Democrats have been clamoring for a fairer census for years, while Republicans want to exclude people who are hard to reach (particularly poor people and minorities). I doubt if Gregg was ever going to have that authority and that's why I don't think he raised that issue when he decided to back out. Giving Gregg power over the census would have been like letting the Jets decide which Patriots can be on the field.


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