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ctpatsfan77 01-27-2009 02:38 PM

Barwin: positives and negatives
 
First, positives:

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Barwin's stock has a chance to go through the roof at next month's NFL Scouting Combine. While training in the UC weight room, Barwin is also working with Clif Marshall at Ignition Sports, a Cincinnati suburban gym where Marshall preps prospects for combine testing. He believes he's dealing with an athletic freak.

"Out of the 15 guys I've got, he's the biggest and he's got the lowest body fat. He's got just 10," Marshall said when he called in to check in on Barwin's day. "And in front of all these receivers and DBs, he did a vertical leap of about 34 inches."

Plus, Marshall is convinced that Barwin's frame is big enough to put on another 20 pounds or so and be a Justin Smith-like 275 pounds.
And the negative:

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The switch to end wasn't the first time Barwin had to adapt himself. He was born mostly deaf in both ears. He learned to read lips as a child and still looks at a person's mouth during a conversation. To correct his hearing, he underwent five or six surgeries, the last one when he was in fifth or sixth grade, he said. Despite the surgeries, he had complications in his left ear, including tumors and infections.

Now, he can only hear a little bit out of his left ear, which has an extraordinarily deep canal. His hearing deficiency was a problem last season when he lined up on the right side of the quarterback, because he couldn't hear the snap count and was sometimes late getting off the line.

It's not an issue on defense, because he just moves when the tackle across from him moves. Other things, though, haven't changed.
Oh, BTW--the Pats didn't do too badly with another criminal justice major from Cincinnati. :)

patchick 01-27-2009 02:59 PM

Re: Barwin: positives and negatives
 
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Originally Posted by ctpatsfan77 (Post 1265011)
Oh, BTW--the Pats didn't do too badly with another criminal justice major from Cincinnati. :)

...who was also an incredible physical specimen. Interesting stuff, thanks! Barwin is exactly the sort I'd pick for a private visit/workout, the more you can learn, the better.

mayoclinic 01-27-2009 06:27 PM

Re: Barwin: positives and negatives
 
Positives:

- versatility - had played multiple positions; can play DE, probably 3-4 OLB, possibly 3-4 SILB, and TE
- athleticism
- high upside
- intelligence - both in the classroom and on the field; has been able to make quick position change with success
- character
- high motor
- team player

Negatives:

- no experience playing LB in 3-4
- only 1 year experience on defense; still refining technique

I wasn't aware of his partial deafness, though it doesn't seem to be an issue on the field.

An interesting read: Senior Bowl: Versatility the selling point for Cincinnati's Barwin - USATODAY.com

ctpatsfan77 01-27-2009 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mayoclinic (Post 1265299)
Positives:

- versatility - had played multiple positions; can play DE, probably 3-4 OLB, possibly 3-4 SILB, and TE
- athleticism
- high upside
- intelligence - both in the classroom and on the field; has been able to make quick position change with success
- character
- high motor
- team player

Negatives:

- no experience playing LB in 3-4
- only 1 year experience on defense; still refining technique

I wasn't aware of his partial deafness, though it doesn't seem to be an issue on the field.

An interesting read: Senior Bowl: Versatility the selling point for Cincinnati's Barwin - USATODAY.com

As Box noted, though, the fact that he's still refining his technique means he has fewer bad habits to unlearn. And, given how quickly he picked up DE, he might well be able to pick up OLB pretty quickly, too.

mayoclinic 01-27-2009 06:46 PM

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I thought it was interesting in the USAToday article that he said that the most exciting option to him would be 3-4 OLB because it would be a new challenge. He seems like the kind of kid who thrives on that.

patchick 01-27-2009 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mayoclinic (Post 1265299)
- versatility - had played multiple positions; can play DE, probably 3-4 OLB, possibly 3-4 SILB, and TE

Also a solid rebounder with some shot-blocking skills, but not much of a shooter. :)

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ctpatsfan77 01-27-2009 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by patchick (Post 1265345)
Also a solid rebounder with some shot-blocking skills, but not much of a shooter. :)

True, but . . .

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Although he was a two-sport start at Jesuit High in Detroit, he came to Cincinnati to follow the more promising path -- football. When he arrived on campus before the start of the 2005-06 season, the school was known for its streak of 14 straight NCAA tournament appearances under Huggins, who was feuding with the university president.

Then, Huggins was gone. A few months later, interim coach Andy Kennedy was looking for help for his depleted roster and contacted some football players who had basketball backgrounds.

Barwin, a freshman, decided to walk on.
Seriously, the more I read about Barwin, the more he sounds like a prototypical Patriot.

MetalBleachers 01-27-2009 11:47 PM

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We know he's athletic; we know he can adapt. What we don't know is how long it will take him to contribute to a 3-4 defense at OLB.

That remains the biggest reason to avoid taking him too early: the unknown. If he's still available by NE's second Round 2 pick, then I say go right ahead. Any earlier than that and it might be too big a chance.

His combine (esp. bench press) will help determine where he goes, at least in my mind. And that's what BB and Floyd want to know: my opinion. :rolleyes:

RayClay 01-28-2009 03:45 AM

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I'd be much more concerned about him playing OLB than how much he can bench press. What's our success rate been with fast/strong athletes with less production, undefined positions as opposed to productive football players that weren't outstanding in track/gym measurables?

I would say not very good.

mayoclinic 01-28-2009 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RayClay (Post 1265676)
I'd be much more concerned about him playing OLB than how much he can bench press. What's our success rate been with fast/strong athletes with less production, undefined positions as opposed to productive football players that weren't outstanding in track/gym measurables?

I would say not very good.

That may be, but Barwin has been extremely productive at DE: 46 tackles, 12.5 tackles for loss and 10 sacks, 6 pass break-ups, 4 QB hurries and 3 blocked punts/kicks.

I don't care what he bench presses. I don't really care how he works out at the combine, except that if he posts fantastic numbers other teams may be more likely to jump on him early. What impresses me about him is his versatility and his character. Those are amazing numbers for a first year DE with no prior background at the position.

Here's another link to some info on Barwin:

Connor Barwin, 2009 NFL Draft Prospect


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