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BradyToMoss 11-17-2008 07:54 AM

Should Capers replace Pees in 2009
 
Not sure what's going on with this guy, but in past seasons, we've always had some crafty, disguised blitzes that we used to throw at teams especially on 3rd and longs. Yet, for some unexplained reason, we haven't them at all so far, and we can't get off the damn field on 3rd down. This sit back and hope for a QB mistake with the classic 4 man rush (with the rare, occasional 5th man LB) is just allowing teams to keep drives alive. We have to start bringing the heat with some crafty schemes. I watch the Steelers and LeBeau does a fantastic job of disguising the heat and it's origin. Our D is so damn predictable. Sitting back in that prevent zone on 3rd and longs is preventing all right, it's preventing us from forcing a punt.

Why we didn't bring the kitchen sink on that critical 3rd and 15 is anyone's guess. In past years, we're sending 6 at Favre and forcing a really quick throw on that play.

I'm hoping Pees gets let go and Capers takes over after this season, because I'm starting to question how much pull Capers has in this defense. If I had to guess, it's not much at all because this definately isn't a pressure oriented Dom Capers scheme.

Jimke 11-17-2008 08:09 AM

Re: Should Capers replace Pees in 2009
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BradyToMoss (Post 1166442)
Not sure what's going on with this guy, but in past seasons, we've always had some crafty, disguised blitzes that we used to throw at teams especially on 3rd and longs. Yet, for some unexplained reason, we haven't them at all so far, and we can't get off the damn field on 3rd down. This sit back and hope for a QB mistake with the classic 4 man rush (with the rare, occasional 5th man LB) is just allowing teams to keep drives alive. We have to start bringing the heat with some crafty schemes. I watch the Steelers and LeBeau does a fantastic job of disguising the heat and it's origin. Our D is so damn predictable. Sitting back in that prevent zone on 3rd and longs is preventing all right, it's preventing us from forcing a punt.

Why we didn't bring the kitchen sink on that critical 3rd and 15 is anyone's guess. In past years, we're sending 6 at Favre and forcing a really quick throw on that play.

I'm hoping Pees gets let go and Capers takes over after this season, because I'm starting to question how much pull Capers has in this defense. If I had to guess, it's not much at all because this definately isn't a pressure oriented Dom Capers scheme.

The question is how much imput Pees has in the schemes. Although

he may call the individal plays, Belichick probably determines the overall

strategy.

DefenseRules 11-17-2008 08:18 AM

Re: Should Capers replace Pees in 2009
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BradyToMoss (Post 1166442)
Not sure what's going on with this guy, but in past seasons, we've always had some crafty, disguised blitzes that we used to throw at teams especially on 3rd and longs. Yet, for some unexplained reason, we haven't them at all so far, and we can't get off the damn field on 3rd down. This sit back and hope for a QB mistake with the classic 4 man rush (with the rare, occasional 5th man LB) is just allowing teams to keep drives alive. We have to start bringing the heat with some crafty schemes. I watch the Steelers and LeBeau does a fantastic job of disguising the heat and it's origin. Our D is so damn predictable. Sitting back in that prevent zone on 3rd and longs is preventing all right, it's preventing us from forcing a punt.

Why we didn't bring the kitchen sink on that critical 3rd and 15 is anyone's guess. In past years, we're sending 6 at Favre and forcing a really quick throw on that play.

I'm hoping Pees gets let go and Capers takes over after this season, because I'm starting to question how much pull Capers has in this defense. If I had to guess, it's not much at all because this definately isn't a pressure oriented Dom Capers scheme.

I don't know what is going on with our defense, but I know that this defense as currently constituted is not a Championship Caliber defense. We have the talent up front, but the talent in the secondary is weak, IMHO. That being said, when Crennel was here our defense could still produce at a high level no matter who was out there. For a while I questioned the talent, this is the first season that I've started wondering if it's coaching. Without really knowing what's going on behind the scenes it's hard to tell. I don't think that our defense is that bad, but when the game is on the line I've noticed a trend that really bothers me, especially in BIG GAMES. It seems like whenever we need this defense to make ONE STOP, they just can't execute it for some reason. From the AFC Championship loss in Indy, to the Super Bowl loss last year, it seems like our defense struggles in "Clutch" situations. The game against the Jets is a prime example of it. I've tried not to overreact about it, but it is really starting to bother me.

Maybe a change in defensive coordinators or even defensive scheme might help.

Jimke 11-17-2008 08:25 AM

Re: Should Capers replace Pees in 2009
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DefenseRules (Post 1166477)
I don't know what is going on with our defense, but I know that this defense as currently constituted is not a Championship Caliber defense. We have the talent up front, but the talent in the secondary is weak, IMHO. That being said, when Crennel was here our defense could still produce at a high level no matter who was out there. For a while I questioned the talent, this is the first season that I've started wondering if it's coaching. Without really knowing what's going on behind the scenes it's hard to tell. I don't think that our defense is that bad, but when the game is on the line I've noticed a trend that really bothers me, especially in BIG GAMES. It seems like whenever we need this defense to make ONE STOP, they just can't execute it for some reason. From the AFC Championship loss in Indy, to the Super Bowl loss last year, it seems like our defense struggles in "Clutch" situations. The game against the Jets is a prime example of it. I've tried not to overreact about it, but it is really starting to bother me.

When Crennel was here, there were six good linebackers who could be rotated and much better defensive backs.

borg 11-17-2008 08:27 AM

Re: Should Capers replace Pees in 2009
 
It's all about the pass rush. You saw how Favre folded when he heard footsteps. Dropping back 8 and having a bunch of 300 lb DLs rushing the QB is not attack football. BB needs to roll the dice the rest of the season and force the issue. Stack the line, blitz from every angle and create turnovers. The Chad will not be going deep this weekend. Clog the middle and bull rush the big eared hick. On offense, 100% shotgun and no huddle. The season hinges on this game. This is no time to win it at the end of the game. The Colts and the Jets showed that the Patriots D is mediocre during crunch time. Time to go Comanche. wooowooowoooowooo.

WhiZa 11-17-2008 08:35 AM

Re: Should Capers replace Pees in 2009
 
It's not that Pees does a bad job. The Pats are 12th in overall defense. He just doesn't do an outstanding job. He certainly won't get fired for the work he has done so far. It could be worse.

I always wonder what Pees is thinking when BB goes to talk to his defense. Shouldn't Pees be doing that? BB never sits the offense down.

tanked_as_usual 11-17-2008 08:39 AM

Re: Should Capers replace Pees in 2009
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimke (Post 1166480)
When Crennel was here, there were six good linebackers who could be rotated and much better defensive backs.

it's not the defensive coordinators job to make sure there are good LB's on the roster.........

that said, I think pees lacks creativity and tries to get away with 'vanilla' all the time......under crennel, there was much more movement by the defensive front 7

PatsWickedPissah 11-17-2008 08:46 AM

Re: Should Capers replace Pees in 2009
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiZa (Post 1166493)
It's not that Pees does a bad job. The Pats are 12th in overall defense. He just doesn't do an outstanding job. He certainly won't get fired for the work he has done so far. It could be worse.

I always wonder what Pees is thinking when BB goes to talk to his defense. Shouldn't Pees be doing that? BB never sits the offense down.

Yes but BB has ALWAYS coached up the D during games, even with Romeo here. If there's criticism of the coaching of the D, it needs to start with Belichick. He hired the DC, sets the strategy and philosophy and participates substantively in the coaching. I suppose I sould delete that remark because with the idiotic threads here (suggesting we trade Brady and keep cassel) some frontrunner MOron here will start a thread suggesting we fire BB if we miss the playoffs.

Deus Irae 11-17-2008 08:58 AM

Re: Should Capers replace Pees in 2009
 
1.) Rodney Harrison lost for the season

2.) A revolving door at the #2 cornerback position

3.) Rookies and 'rookies' at the nickel corner position

4.) Adalius Thomas missing time with injury

5.) Ty Warren missing time with injury

6.) 2 rookies playing significant time at ILB

7.) Wilfork apparently fighting a toe injury

All this and the defense is still, somehow, #10 in the NFL.

DarrylS 11-17-2008 08:59 AM

Re: Should Capers replace Pees in 2009
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiZa (Post 1166493)
It's not that Pees does a bad job. The Pats are 12th in overall defense. He just doesn't do an outstanding job. He certainly won't get fired for the work he has done so far. It could be worse.

I always wonder what Pees is thinking when BB goes to talk to his defense. Shouldn't Pees be doing that? BB never sits the offense down.

BB has always done this, he coaches the trench guys up.. that is his strength..

Criticize Pees all you want, but no Ty Warren, no Rodney, no Adalus Thomas.. injuries are not an excuse, but there were gaps and instead of just taking off.. the D lineman had to stay home to help with the LB's and to watch Thomas who had gained a lot of yards recently..

The D did not fumble, did not drop passes.. did not miss Leon Washington..

BB is not listening to Jon Bon Jovi on the headsets, he knows everything that is going on. on the play in question it looked like someone missed their assignment.


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