The onside kick confusion....thoughts???
 

The onside kick by the Bills...this was a confusing play and I still do not understand exactly what happened...
It seemed on first view like the kick was touched by a Patriot and bounced around..and recovered by the Bills. THAT was what I saw...on replay..it was a bit harder..it seemed like someone knocked the ball to the left where the Bills recovered..but if that was a Bill..it would have been a dead ball there...BUT if Izzo or Bruschi touched it first..it would have been live. AND on the replay it seemed possible that Izzo did..but with so many players..impossible to really tell. Moreover, with some Buffalo players ahead of the ball..is that not offside?? I mean granted the kick is slow...but if a player is a yard or two in front..is that not offside?? It was a good type of kick...now if they had kicked the ball harder and it clearly bounced back OFF a Patriot player..that would work...(Saw the Colts do that some 45+ years ago...and THAt worked fine. )
It was just off because it wasn't clear and really seemed more like a Buffalo recovery.

Re: The onside kick confusion....thoughts???
 

it was touched by a bills player before it went 10 yards......end of story

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That's pretty obvious..REALLY?? although I doubt you could say which one did....lol...

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nope, but it was obvious it hit a bills players leg on the replay........

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It bounced off of #38 Cory McIntyre's left hand. Watch the replay from the Patriots' end zone and it's clear as day.

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This is correct.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...mix/onside.gif

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Thanks for the cool replay. It was very hard to see what happened from the stands and on the replay on the screen. It did indeed look like a Pats player had touched it first & hence fumbled, even though that was not the call (correctly as it turns out).

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Actually, the first thing the football hit was the hand of a Bills player (who was running next to the football and not paying any attention to it) and you had to look closely to see it. :)

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A few years ago, didn't the league change the rules limiting the number of players who could line up on either side of the kicker? I think the goal was to reduce injuries by having few players competing for the ball (I believe the rule went into effect the season after Kellen Winslow broke his leg during an onside kick).

Instead of kicking the ball to the left or right, the Bills lined up 5 players on either side of the kicker (which they can do) and then kicked the ball down the middle. They ended up with more bodies colliding than they did before the rule change.

I'm not saying it's wrong, but rather pointing out how the league tried to make things safer and coaches still find a way to create the same chaos under the new rules.

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The refs got the call right (don't know how, but they did).

I was very intrigued by the Bills onside kick strategy. I thought it was brilliant. Mass chaos, and even if the Bills did touch it first (which they did), they certainly made it hard on the refs to make the right call.