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1%er 01-23-2013 02:22 PM

Coaching vs Talent
 
I think it is safe to say the Patriots are the best coached team in the NFL. They're all schooled in scheme, fundamentals and their overall football IQ's are better than 98% of their opponents.

John Harbaugh
Jim Harbaugh
Pete Carroll
Tom Coughlin
Mike Tomlin
Rex Ryan
Chain Gaily
Eric Mangini
Ken Whisenhunt

Looking at that list I'd say the two Harbaugh's, Tomlin, Coughlin, Carroll all easily in the top 10 coaches in the NFL today. Whisenhunt IMO got a raw deal in Arizona and was a really good head coach that took his team to the SB in 2008. Then you have Eric Mangini who was under BB and 2 division rivals who match up against us frequently.

IMO we lose when we face teams that can eliminate that coaching and intelligence gap. That's when it comes down to pure talent and winning 1 on 1 battles.

We have Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez on offense and Vince Wilfork and Chandler Jones on defense as players whom I would consider to be able to win their 1 on 1 match against anybody in the NFL. On Sunday we were without 2 of the 4 and that is what cost us the game..

That is why I think we need to focus on adding 1-2 physical freaks who can go out and beat any scheme or game plan. We may of gotten off to a good start with Armstead yesterday for the defensive side.

Marqui 01-23-2013 02:27 PM

Re: Coaching vs Talent
 
This is definitely true. That's why I wouldn't mind letting Welker go and using the money to sign Bowe.

billdog3484 01-23-2013 02:34 PM

Re: Coaching vs Talent
 
hold on a second...we were 2 gronkowski injuries away from possibly winning 2 Super Bowls in 2 years...lets not be crazy. our team is talented. yes, Brady covers up for a lot of guys but we are a great team

1%er 01-23-2013 02:40 PM

Re: Coaching vs Talent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billdog3484 (Post 3354698)
hold on a second...we were 2 gronkowski injuries away from possibly winning 2 Super Bowls in 2 years...lets not be crazy. our team is talented. yes, Brady covers up for a lot of guys but we are a great team

I didn't say it wasn't talent. Football IQ is a talent... We have other players that have above average skill levels. What I'm saying is other than Gronk, AH, Wilfork and Jones who else do you think can go out and dominate anyone they're matched up against no matter what?

1%er 01-23-2013 02:42 PM

Re: Coaching vs Talent
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billdog3484 (Post 3354698)
hold on a second...we were 2 gronkowski injuries away from possibly winning 2 Super Bowls in 2 years...lets not be crazy. our team is talented. yes, Brady covers up for a lot of guys but we are a great team

Green Bay won the SB in 2010 with 15 players on IR... Other than Tom Brady we need to be built to overcome core player injuries this is the NFL.

aluminum seats 01-23-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Brady2Moss (Post 3354705)
I think this is a cop out yes we were that close, but you can say that for any team.

No you can't.

ivanvamp 01-23-2013 05:24 PM

Re: Coaching vs Talent
 
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Originally Posted by 1%er (Post 3354710)
Green Bay won the SB in 2010 with 15 players on IR... Other than Tom Brady we need to be built to overcome core player injuries this is the NFL.

The 2004 Pats won the SB with 11 guys on IR, including Ben Watson and Ty Law. The 2003 Pats won the SB with 13 guys on IR.

The 2011 Pats came within a minute of winning the SB with 13 guys on the IR, and a number of others playing with serious injuries (Mankins, Gronk, etc.).


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