Bills sell out individual tickets to all of thier home games EXCEPT the Patriots game

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Losing Hochstein would be a big blow. Who would Warren Sapp try to diss on the team now?

"I don't think it's even a fair match-up." - Sapp

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Brandon said:

I take it you have no idea who our GM is, I also take it you have no idea what the NFL draft is.

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How much did Dimitroff have to do with your prior drafts? Honest question, as I don't follow your team in that level of detail.

In addition, another few drafts like 2007's (two for nine making the team, with Meriweather having bust written all over him as even some folks here admit?) and you may find out how easy it is to go from the penthouse to the outhouse.

Personally, I suspect this is why Kraft wants the League to go uncapped--to get another unfair advantage so that should his draft's crap out he can always try to buy a ring.

PS You all love to ride the Colts, but in terms of the draft, you're nowhere near Polian's league--all 22 starters last year had never played for another team.

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upstater1 said:

Are you serious? Hochstein. Hochstein. HOCHSTEIN!!!! He's barely even a backup. He doesn't play. He may not make the team THIS YEAR!!.

In case you haven't noticed, the Patriots loaded up on linebackers this year.

Jerrod Mayo
Victor Hobson
Shawn Crable

They'll fit in nicely around:

Adalius Thomas (31)
Mike Vrabel (33)
Tedy Bruschi (35)
Junior Seau (39)
Pierre Woods (Who?)
Eric Alexander (Who?)

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Wasn't Hochstein on the field during most of the SB? I.e., he was enough of a backup that he was your first O-lineman on the field when Neal went off hurt. (That one may prove your point, too, I must admit.)

On the LBs, two guys who've never played a down in this league and a third who was such a hot commodity that he languished on the market with no other offers for 2-3 weeks into free agency. Mayo may turn out to be a good one, but I wouldn't count on Crable being a great player, and certainly not thi s year.

BTW, Thomas is 31 in August as well--I've filled in the ages of your main LB's above--so looks like you may have to replace 4 out of the top 5 linebackers in the next two years (if you count Seau as one of the top 5, otherwise, it's just 3 of the top 4). Unless one has found the fountain of youth (or Rodney's Dr.), 33 is about as old as linebackers typically play effectively in this League.....

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Our linebacking core looks dominant for the future if Mayo and Crable pan out.

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Brandon said:

Our linebacking core looks dominant for the future if Mayo and Crable pan out.

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Define "future"--if by that you mean the end of 2008 or 2009, you might be right. Those are also big "ifs", particularly on Crable--I'd give Mayo about a 75% chance of working out as a better than average to very good LB, I'd give Crable about a 30-35% chance of that (based admittedly mainly on draft position).

My apologies to the starter of this thread, as it seems to have gone way off track.....

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The point is, the Patriots are younger there. That's the point. The draft is how you replenish your team. And obviously Merriweather is less of a bust at this point than Poszlusny is. Have you given up on him?

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upstater1 said:

The point is, the Patriots are younger there. That's the point. The draft is how you replenish your team. And obviously Merriweather is less of a bust at this point than Poszlusny is. Have you given up on him?

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Difference is, when he was playing (pre-season and first three games), Poz looked like he's going to be a good one. The injury was disappointing, but in what we've seen it looks like he has the goods. If he can't stay on the field it doesn't matter, I agree, but we'll see how that goes.

Meriweather, on the other hand, just looked lost most the time last year, at least when I was watching him (and from reading things here, it sounds like lots of folks here weren't too sure about him either). For ex., I've watched that SB a number of times, that last drive in particular, and on successive plays he blew it for you guys, first by not hanging onto a pick that was in his hands and second just getting screened right out of that second to last play by Smith that set up the TD. He was a rookie, so he may improve certainly, but so far he hasn't looked like the second coming of Ronnie Lott.

I was serious about that question above, BTW, re: Dimitroff--how much was he the trigger man on your drafts? Or was/is that Pioli? I don't follow you all closely enough to know that.

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FootballFanetic said:

In addition, another few drafts like 2007's (two for nine making the team, with Meriweather having bust written all over him as even some folks here admit?) and you may find out how easy it is to go from the penthouse to the outhouse.

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Meriweather is the furthest thing from a bust, he climbed the depth chart at the end of the season as is really coming on, as a matter of fact, he'll start at FS this year in a rotation with Rodney and James Sanders. Meriweather is the real deal. The 07 draft also includes two key guys that you chose to leave out, some no-name guys called Randy Moss and Wes Welker (our equivalent to our 2cnd and 4th round draft picks in 07).

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FootballFanetic said:

Difference is, when he was playing (pre-season and first three games), Poz looked like he's going to be a good one. The injury was disappointing, but in what we've seen it looks like he has the goods. If he can't stay on the field it doesn't matter, I agree, but we'll see how that goes.

Meriweather, on the other hand, just looked lost most the time last year, at least when I was watching him (and from reading things here, it sounds like lots of folks here weren't too sure about him either). For ex., I've watched that SB a number of times, that last drive in particular, and on successive plays he blew it for you guys, first by not hanging onto a pick that was in his hands and second just getting screened right out of that second to last play by Smith that set up the TD. He was a rookie, so he may improve certainly, but so far he hasn't looked like the second coming of Ronnie Lott.

I was serious about that question above, BTW, re: Dimitroff--how much was he the trigger man on your drafts? Or was/is that Pioli? I don't follow you all closely enough to know that.

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My analysis of what Poz brought to the Bills before the injury is much much less glowing than yours.

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upstater1 said:

My analysis of what Poz brought to the Bills before the injury is much much less glowing than yours.

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Actually, in the two games he played (Weeks 1 and 2) he had far more tackles than any of the Pats' LBs. Some of that is system and some of that is the fact that in the Pittsburgh game our D spent a lot of time on the field, but even considering that, his tackle numbers still stack up pretty well against any of your LBs. I will also agree that this isn't dispositive, since a tackle 20 yards downfield is the same as one in the backfield, for ex., stat-wise, but it's the best we've got.....

Some recent pub. on him:

"During offseason drills, including the Bills' recent minicamp, Posluszny has shown excellent quickness and explosiveness. He also has displayed a good grasp of a defensive scheme in which he barely got to play in last year. One day he was seen blowing past the center while rushing up the middle. The next he was making a one-handed interception of a Trent Edwards pass in the red zone."

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BradyToMoss said:

Meriweather is the furthest thing from a bust, he climbed the depth chart at the end of the season as is really coming on, as a matter of fact, he'll start at FS this year in a rotation with Rodney and James Sanders. Meriweather is the real deal. The 07 draft also includes two key guys that you chose to leave out, some no-name guys called Randy Moss and Wes Welker (our equivalent to our 2cnd and 4th round draft picks in 07).

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Shouldn't first round picks start from Game 1, even on a loaded team like yours?

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FootballFanetic said:

Shouldn't first round picks start from Game 1, even on a loaded team like yours?

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No.........

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FootballFanetic said:

Shouldn't first round picks start from Game 1, even on a loaded team like yours?

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No. I have no idea where you came up with that.

Ty Law and Tebucky Jones were the last DBs we picked in the first round. They didn't start immediately either.

I can't think of any Patriot other than the linemen who started from day 1. Then again, the Patriots don't draft any players but linemen, with few exceptions:

Lawrence Maroney (didn't start)
Ben Watson (didn't start)

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nittanylions52 said:

I can tell you right now that sour grapes and jealousy are not the reasons. It truly is the arrogance. I don't care that the Pats won those Super Bowls...it's the arrogance of their fans that really gets on my nerves.

I don't think "everyone hates dynasties" is true at all. I don't hate dynastic teams...I start to if their fans become arrogant and ignorant, but I don't hate them just because they start winning.

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Most fans hate dynasties.

That's a fact.

You're crazy if you think Patriots fans are any different than other fans.

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FootballFanetic said:

Where did you get that crap? I loved the Steelers and Raiders in the 70s, and hated the 'Boys because they were (a) the NFC, (b) too goody-goody and loved by the League and (c) the Cowboys--'nuff said. Their fans being arrogant helped, too.

On Pats fans being arrogant, let me go see if I can find the thread "Who Else Senses a Blowout?" from Feb. 1. I'd guess you probably posted in that one. You should go find "Autopsy Report: New England Patriots", a humorous analytical piece written by a Giants fan about the SB and he hits the nail right on the head on Pats fans in there.

It isn't just the arrogance, it's also the bandwagon nature of a lot of them--there are folks out there who are "Pats fans" who couldn't pick John Hannah out of a lineup or know who Andre Tippett or Jim Plunkett were or even (as some Bills fans had great fun with this past season) know that their team lost two SBs before they won any.

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Read it again: most fans...

And then you tell me about yourself.

The Raiders were a dynasty? Wha?

The rest of your argument is just lame. So a highly successful franchise has more bandwagon fans. So what? You think the 49ers had a lot of fans before they won 5? get real.

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FootballFanetic said:

Go check out that article I referenced--you'd fit right in.....

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Of all the braindead posters on this board, you take the cake. You give Aqua a run.

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FootballFanetic said:

I should clarify above by stating that in my view not all Pats fans are arrogant or unknowledgeable or bandwagon--but I'd say that more than average are. That's somewhat to be expected when you're a winning team and the bandwagonistas come out--as they tend to be "all of the above". Everybody loves a winner, as the old saying goes.

It's funny, but I went on to FinHeaven earlier this year and thanked all those still posting there for being good fans--they stick to their team through thick and thin and no one should ever call those folks who were still there bandwagon fans.

The guys (and gals) here who aren't such bandwagonistas I feel happy for, as it's nice for the long suffering when a team turns it around, but I also suspect that some of those long-suffering know exactly what I'm talking about here, but may be afraid to speak up.....

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Your preaching to the choir, trolls we may be, but at least we can't be accused of hoping on the bandwagon.:snob:

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Gunnails said:

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Your preaching to the choir, trolls we may be, but at least we can't be accused of hoping on the bandwagon.:snob:

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Well, keep hoping.

Eventually a bandwagon may come by for both the Jets and the Bills.

It sure as heck is taking it's time as you guys have been inept for well over a decade.