Bills sell out individual tickets to all of thier home games EXCEPT the Patriots game

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FootballFanetic said:

On that going for it on 4th and other similar behavior last year, remember, too, what goes around, comes around.......

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This is a pretty silly statement.

As though the Patriots haven't been blown out before. Most of the teams we blew out had previously blown us out.

I always love when people make points like this and they can't even remember doing the same thing. The Chargers, for instance, and Phillip Rivers cry about the Patriots celebrating after a win, and yet the Chargers did the same thing to the Patriots in Foxboro.

Then we have to hear, "You'll get yours," from the Chargers, as though they didn't already celebrate on our field. It's stupid and silly.

Stop it.

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upstater1 said:

This is a pretty silly statement.

As though the Patriots haven't been blown out before. Most of the teams we blew out had previously blown us out.

I always love when people make points like this and they can't even remember doing the same thing. The Chargers, for instance, and Phillip Rivers cry about the Patriots celebrating after a win, and yet the Chargers did the same thing to the Patriots in Foxboro.

Then we have to hear, "You'll get yours," from the Chargers, as though they didn't already celebrate on our field. It's stupid and silly.

Stop it.

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Link please on the Chargers prancing around on the Pats' logo after winning a regular seasons game in 2005 (the only recent time the two teams have played in Foxboro and the Chargers won)? I don't recall any controversy around that (could be wrong, of course, so please educate me if I am). Most teams celebrate in some way after a win--it all depends on how they did it.

On the running up the score, which was more my original point before you decided to change the topic to one more of your liking, I can't recall anyone in recent memory doing it consistently like Belichick did last year,and it wasn't just the fact of getting blown out, it was the fact that he continued to run up the score when the game was well out of reach, seemingly simply to humiliate people. That Washington game was ridiculous. There is no doubt in my mind that that will come back to bite you at some point in the future (and perhaps sooner than some folks here think)......

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FootballFanetic said:

Link please on the Chargers prancing around on the Pats' logo after winning a regular seasons game in 2005 (the only recent time the two teams have played in Foxboro and the Chargers won)? I don't recall any controversy around that (could be wrong, of course, so please educate me if I am). Most teams celebrate in some way after a win--it all depends on how they did it.

On the running up the score, which was more my original point before you decided to change the topic to one more of your liking, I can't recall anyone in recent memory doing it consistently like Belichick did last year,and it wasn't just the fact of getting blown out, it was the fact that he continued to run up the score when the game was well out of reach, seemingly simply to humiliate people. That Washington game was ridiculous. There is no doubt in my mind that that will come back to bite you at some point in the future (and perhaps sooner than some folks here think)......

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You're becoming sillier with every single post.

There was no controversy when the Chargers dissed the Patriots because the Patriots didn't cry!! That should be obvious. And this is the reason the Patriots gave them payback, but the Chargers cried.

Heck, Wade Phillips after the game yelled to Rodney Harrison, "We whupped your asses."

You ened to do some research.

As for blowouts and running up the score, you have a very very short memory. The Indy Colts in 2004 ran up the score even more than the Patriots did. And the freakin' Bills in the early 1990s did it all the time.

Were you even alive back then?

This is crying and complaining that should be beneath you.

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upstater1 said:

You're becoming sillier with every single post.

There was no controversy when the Chargers dissed the Patriots because the Patriots didn't cry!! That should be obvious. And this is the reason the Patriots gave them payback, but the Chargers cried.

Heck, Wade Phillips after the game yelled to Rodney Harrison, "We whupped your asses."

You ened to do some research.

As for blowouts and running up the score, you have a very very short memory. The Indy Colts in 2004 ran up the score even more than the Patriots did. And the freakin' Bills in the early 1990s did it all the time.

Were you even alive back then?

This is crying and complaining that should be beneath you.

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On the 2004 Colts, go back and look at what they scored in the 4th quarter in their blowouts:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/schedule?team=ind&year=2004

In all the games that weren't close going into the 4th they put up goose eggs except for one game, when they scored 7 on a pick.

Compare that to your own team's blowouts in 2007. In several of them you scored 14 points in the 4th quarter, long after the game was over.

Those are facts.

As for the Bills, couldn't find a database that far back, but no way Marv Levy embarrassed opponents the way Belichick did last year. The only beat down of that magnitude I remember the Bills giving unmercifully was against the Raiders in the AFCCG before the Bills first SB--and that's a little more excusable in the playoffs with the SB on the line than what BB did last year in the regular season. BTW, I went to my first Bills game in 1972, so was quite "around" for the Levy era.

Face it, your coach is the king of running up the score like it's a college game. That's fine (especially when you're winning), but there are consequences that come along with that, consequences I suspect you won't like when it's your turn to be pummeled.

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FootballFanetic said:

On the 2004 Colts, go back and look at what they scored in the 4th quarter in their blowouts:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/schedule?team=ind&year=2004

In all the games that weren't close going into the 4th they put up goose eggs except for one game, when they scored 7 on a pick.

Compare that to your own team's blowouts in 2007. In several of them you scored 14 points in the 4th quarter, long after the game was over.

Those are facts.

As for the Bills, couldn't find a database that far back, but no way Marv Levy embarrassed opponents the way Belichick did last year. The only beat down of that magnitude I remember the Bills giving unmercifully was against the Raiders in the AFCCG before the Bills first SB--and that's a little more excusable in the playoffs with the SB on the line than what BB did last year in the regular season. BTW, I went to my first Bills game in 1972, so was quite "around" for the Levy era.

Face it, your coach is the king of running up the score like it's a college game. That's fine (especially when you're winning), but there are consequences that come along with that, consequences I suspect you won't like when it's your turn to be pummeled.

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You're full of crap.

Look at this 4 game stretch in the middle of that season:

10 Sun, Nov 14 Houston W 49-14

UP 42-7 late in the 3rd, Manning throws a long TD pass.

11 Sun, Nov 21 @ Chicago W 41-10

Up 34-3 late in the 3rd, Manning leads them on another TD drive.

12 Thu, Nov 25 @ Detroit W 41-9

Up 34-9 late in the 3rd, Manning throws another TD pass.

13 Sun, Dec 5 Tennessee W 51-24 9-3

Up 48-24 in the 4th, Manning thows another TD pass.

Heck, there's a SONY commercial out there where Peyton brags about throwing a TD (rather than running) while he's up 28 points on the Titans with under a minute left in the game. They even joke about running up the score.

The Redskins game you referenced he was out in the first 3rd of the 4th qtr, just like Manning in his blowouts. The Patriots went exclusively to the run in the second half and the Redskins just quit. The previous game against the Dolphins the Patriots pulled Brady midway through the third. These are FACTS.

If you went to your first game in 1972, then you have a bad memory, and you're even worse at searching scores on the net.

Here's the gentleman Mr. Levy's record:

1990

42-0 over Cleveland (including scores in the 4th qtr)
45-14 Phoenix (ditto)
51-3 Raiders "

1991

52-24 Pittsburgh "
42-6 Colts "

1992

40-7 Rams
41-14 Atlanta "
41-7 over Patriots (4th qtr scores)

This game makes Jim Kelly a HUGE hypocrite. And he did it AGAIN in 1994.

Kelly and Levy are the LAST two who should complain.

In 2007, Brady came out of the game early in the 4th qtr, 12 minute mark, after not having thrown a touchdown after the 33 minute mark of the game. Kyle Eckel, freakin' Kyle Eckel!! ran all over the Bills defense. What do you want them to do?

You've been blasted out of the water on the facts, bub. You have nowhere to run to.

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upstater1 said:

You're full of crap.

Look at this 4 game stretch in the middle of that season:

10 Sun, Nov 14 Houston W 49-14

UP 42-7 late in the 3rd, Manning throws a long TD pass.

11 Sun, Nov 21 @ Chicago W 41-10

Up 34-3 late in the 3rd, Manning leads them on another TD drive.

12 Thu, Nov 25 @ Detroit W 41-9

Up 34-9 late in the 3rd, Manning throws another TD pass.

13 Sun, Dec 5 Tennessee W 51-24 9-3

Up 48-24 in the 4th, Manning thows another TD pass.

Heck, there's a SONY commercial out there where Peyton brags about throwing a TD (rather than running) while he's up 28 points on the Titans with under a minute left in the game. They even joke about running up the score.

The Redskins game you referenced he was out in the first 3rd of the 4th qtr, just like Manning in his blowouts. The Patriots went exclusively to the run in the second half and the Redskins just quit. The previous game against the Dolphins the Patriots pulled Brady midway through the third. These are FACTS.

If you went to your first game in 1972, then you have a bad memory, and you're even worse at searching scores on the net.

Here's the gentleman Mr. Levy's record:

1990

42-0 over Cleveland (including scores in the 4th qtr)
45-14 Phoenix (ditto)
51-3 Raiders "

1991

52-24 Pittsburgh "
42-6 Colts "

1992

40-7 Rams
41-14 Atlanta "
41-7 over Patriots (4th qtr scores)

This game makes Jim Kelly a HUGE hypocrite. And he did it AGAIN in 1994.

Kelly and Levy are the LAST two who should complain.

In 2007, Brady came out of the game early in the 4th qtr, 12 minute mark, after not having thrown a touchdown after the 33 minute mark of the game. Kyle Eckel, freakin' Kyle Eckel!! ran all over the Bills defense. What do you want them to do?

You've been blasted out of the water on the facts, bub. You have nowhere to run to.

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On the Colts points, I don't think it's running up the score if you keep scoring in the 3rd, as there's still plenty of time then to come back (after all, the Bills came from 32 down mid-way through the 3rd vs. Houston).

On the Bills points, it's also all in how you play late in the game. For ex., I agree with you that if you run the ball late in the game, but still score there's not much you can do about that. In several of NE's blowouts last year, however, you were still throwing on folks late in the game instead of running out the clock. Along those lines, did the Bills ever go for it on 4th late in a game while destroying an opponent--I'd wager no, but you guys did that on several occasions last year I believe.

PS Notice that I didn't raise the 2007 56-10 Bills game as an ex. of you guys running up the score--I agree with you on that that it was just a case of us getting behind early after playing a horrible game and just getting beaten badly without the kind of sportsmanship Belichick displayed against the Skins, for ex.

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FootballFanetic said:

On the Colts points, I don't think it's running up the score if you keep scoring in the 3rd, as there's still plenty of time then to come back (after all, the Bills came from 32 down mid-way through the 3rd vs. Houston).

On the Bills points, it's also all in how you play late in the game. For ex., I agree with you that if you run the ball late in the game, but still score there's not much you can do about that. In several of NE's blowouts last year, however, you were still throwing on folks late in the game instead of running out the clock. Along those lines, did the Bills ever go for it on 4th late in a game while destroying an opponent--I'd wager no, but you guys did that on several occasions last year I believe.

PS Notice that I didn't raise the 2007 56-10 Bills game as an ex. of you guys running up the score--I agree with you on that that it was just a case of us getting behind early after playing a horrible game and just getting beaten badly without the kind of sportsmanship Belichick displayed against the Skins, for ex.

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Against the Skins Belichick took Brady out of the game.

And going for it on 4th is considered classier than kicking a field goal, because if you're trying to score a field goal late in the game, that's considered running up the score. This way you give the defense a chance to stop you. Simple as that.

You're also wrong about the Colts. That team has a history of running up the score. There's a commercial about it, as mentioned.

Here's a stat for you to chew on:

Peyton Manning sat out the last two games of their record-breaking year because they had already made the playoffs. Brady played the entire season last year because the team was going for 16-0, and obviously he played the whole Giants regular season game.

So, you'd think that Brady would have beaten Manning's TD record because he played more minutes than Manning? Right?

But the fact is he tied Manning's record in LESS minutes than it took Manning to get 49, and eh beat Manning's record (late in the Giants game) in 3 more minutes than it took Manning to get 49.

How could that be?

You can draw only one conclusion from these facts: Belichick pulled Brady out of games a lot earlier than Dungy pulled Manning out of games.

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upstater1 said:

This is a pretty silly statement.

As though the Patriots haven't been blown out before. Most of the teams we blew out had previously blown us out.

I always love when people make points like this and they can't even remember doing the same thing. The Chargers, for instance, and Phillip Rivers cry about the Patriots celebrating after a win, and yet the Chargers did the same thing to the Patriots in Foxboro.

Then we have to hear, "You'll get yours," from the Chargers, as though they didn't already celebrate on our field. It's stupid and silly.

Stop it.

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Not to mention Rivers turning around and talking sh!t to Colts fans after the game (something I actually loved). That was just icing on the cake after one of the most physical games I've ever seen by two teams competing to play the Pats for the AFC Championship. But still, for Rivers and co. to cry about what we did on their field in '06 and seeing what they did at the RCA Dome in '07 is just silly. Shows you how many hypocrites are in the NFL.

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FootballFanetic said:

On the Colts points, I don't think it's running up the score if you keep scoring in the 3rd, as there's still plenty of time then to come back (after all, the Bills came from 32 down mid-way through the 3rd vs. Houston).

On the Bills points, it's also all in how you play late in the game. For ex., I agree with you that if you run the ball late in the game, but still score there's not much you can do about that. In several of NE's blowouts last year, however, you were still throwing on folks late in the game instead of running out the clock. Along those lines, did the Bills ever go for it on 4th late in a game while destroying an opponent--I'd wager no, but you guys did that on several occasions last year I believe.St

PS Notice that I didn't raise the 2007 56-10 Bills game as an ex. of you guys running up the score--I agree with you on that that it was just a case of us getting behind early after playing a horrible game and just getting beaten badly without the kind of sportsmanship Belichick displayed against the Skins, for ex.

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I'm sorry.....actually I'm not. The losing team and their fans that just got blown out should be embarassed if they start whining about running up the score. PLEASE! What, run slower so you can be tackled easier? By the way when a defense has dominated a team the whole game do the start letting the other team score? No? Then what the difference between an offense not letting up and a defense no letting up?

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FootballFanetic said:

On the 2004 Colts, go back and look at what they scored in the 4th quarter in their blowouts:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/schedule?team=ind&year=2004

In all the games that weren't close going into the 4th they put up goose eggs except for one game, when they scored 7 on a pick.

Compare that to your own team's blowouts in 2007. In several of them you scored 14 points in the 4th quarter, long after the game was over.

Those are facts.

As for the Bills, couldn't find a database that far back, but no way Marv Levy embarrassed opponents the way Belichick did last year. The only beat down of that magnitude I remember the Bills giving unmercifully was against the Raiders in the AFCCG before the Bills first SB--and that's a little more excusable in the playoffs with the SB on the line than what BB did last year in the regular season. BTW, I went to my first Bills game in 1972, so was quite "around" for the Levy era.

Face it, your coach is the king of running up the score like it's a college game. That's fine (especially when you're winning), but there are consequences that come along with that, consequences I suspect you won't like when it's your turn to be pummeled.

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Here's the problem with what you're saying:

1. As long as Tom Brady, the greatest QB to ever put on pads, is taking snaps under center, as long as Bob Kraft is the owner of this team, as long as BB is coaching this team, there will never, ever be a team in the league that has the capability to blow us out even if they want to pay us back. So in other words, it's never going to happen.

2. On that 4th down TD up 42-10 at Ralph Wilson, if you and the players had a problem with that then do something about it my friend and STOP US, END OF STORY. You couldn't stop us and we're not going to apologize to anyone especially after the beatings this franchise took under the old Rod Rust early 1990s days when we were pummelled week after week. No one felt sorry for us back then.

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BradyToMoss said:

Here's the problem with what you're saying:

1. As long as Tom Brady, the greatest QB to ever put on pads, is taking snaps under center, as long as Bob Kraft is the owner of this team, as long as BB is coaching this team, there will never, ever be a team in the league that has the capability to blow us out even if they want to pay us back. So in other words, it's never going to happen.

2. On that 4th down TD up 42-10 at Ralph Wilson, if you and the players had a problem with that then do something about it my friend and STOP US, END OF STORY. You couldn't stop us and we're not going to apologize to anyone especially after the beatings this franchise took under the old Rod Rust early 1990s days when we were pummelled week after week. No one felt sorry for us back then.

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THIS is why folks hate your team and its fanbase--not because "everyone hates dynasties", "you're all just jealous", blah, blah, blah that we often hear from Pats fans. It's the incredible arrogance. Have fun with about 2-3 good years left out of Brady (who, I agree, is certainly one of the greatest ever to play the game (assuming that Spygate played no part in that greatness))--as to the rest, time will tell, but I stand by my statements above that pride cometh before the fall......

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FootballFanetic said:

THIS is why folks hate your team and its fanbase--not because "everyone hates dynasties", "you're all just jealous", blah, blah, blah that we often hear from Pats fans. It's the incredible arrogance. Have fun with about 2-3 good years left out of Brady (who, I agree, is certainly one of the greatest ever to play the game (assuming that Spygate played no part in that greatness))--as to the rest, time will tell, but I stand by my statements above that pride cometh before the fall......

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He just turned 30.

Jim Kelly played until the age of 36. And he had an excellent year at age 35.

What, Brady isn't as good as Kelly?

You got Brady and Belichick coming at you hard for another 5 years.

And yes, this "(assuming that Spygate played no part in that greatness)" is just sour grapes and jealousy and you KNOW it. Of course Spygate played a part in his greatness. Preparations play a part in every single game, and every team does this (except the Bills in the Kelly years with their hurry-up). Every other team? Yes. Don't be so naive.

Everyone hates dynasties.

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That guy's intense haha. I remember seeing him, true fan though, you have to respect that.

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FootballFanetic said:

...Brady (who, I agree, is certainly one of the greatest ever to play the game (assuming that Spygate played no part in that greatness....

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Explain to me how one could assume that Spygate helped Brady's record breaking TD season, seeing that the quarter of filming from an unaproved location st the Jets game occurred early on.

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PatsWickedPissah said:

Explain to me how one could assume that Spygate helped Brady's record breaking TD season, seeing that the quarter of filming from an unaproved location st the Jets game occurred early on.

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I didn't make that assumption--he had an all-time great year and has had one of the all-time great careers. Other than his comment about Plax's comment on the SB outcome (which wasn't very smart and seemed a bit out of character), I also think he's generally a decent guy to boot. I do think he's one of the greatest to ever play the game, but I'm conditioning that view on the assumption that Spygate (or more accurately, the videotaping of opponents' hand signals) or something else we don't know about yet didn't give him an unfair advantage in his achievements. We'll never know that for sure unfortunately for him and us. That's BB's legacy, which is sad for both Pats fans and players in a way.....

PS To the other poster above, Tom turns 31 in August (and Moss turned 31 in Feb., FWIW)

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FootballFanetic said:

I didn't make that assumption--he had an all-time great year and has had one of the all-time great careers. Other than his comment about Plax's comment on the SB outcome (which wasn't very smart and seemed a bit out of character), I also think he's generally a decent guy to boot. I do think he's one of the greatest to ever play the game, but I'm conditioning that view on the assumption that Spygate (or more accurately, the videotaping of opponents' hand signals) or something else we don't know about yet didn't give him an unfair advantage in his achievements. We'll never know that for sure unfortunately for him and us. That's BB's legacy, which is sad for both Pats fans and players in a way.....

PS To the other poster above, Tom turns 31 in August (and Moss turned 31 in Feb., FWIW)

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So what? That still gives him more than 2 years.

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upstater1 said:

So what? That still gives him more than 2 years.

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Maybe, maybe not--34 is a bit old for a QB, those Kelly references above aside. (If I wasn't clear above, I meant 2 years after 2008--my bad on that.) He may be helped since he doesn't rely on his legs much, if at all, plus until now he hasn't been hit much (although we all expect teams to go at him more this year after the SB--up to Scarnecchia to take care of that).

I don't expect Moss to see the third year of his three-year deal myself, however. Speed receivers tend to go pretty quick (slight pun intended) at around 32-33, which Randy will be shortly. Won't mean he'll fall off a cliff, since he's still got great height, hands and general skills/canniness, but I think his production will slip a good bit after this season and perhaps next, to the point where he won't be worth $9m a year.

Now that you've brought it up, looking at your roster I was a bit surprised that it was older at other spots than I'd thought (we all know about your LBs and Rodney), like O-line and RB. I mean, Neal will be 32 in Oct. and Light is 30 and Hochstein will be 31 this fall. While lineman can play longer than speed players, in 2-3 years time you'll still be looking to replace those guys in the near term. Kevin Faulk may have one more good year left and Sammy Morris (who I loved as a Bill, BTW) is 31 already--where did the years go?

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FootballFanetic said:

but I'm conditioning that view on the assumption that Spygate (or more accurately, the videotaping of opponents' hand signals) or something else we don't know about yet didn't give him an unfair advantage in his achievements. We'll never know that for sure

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I'll translate this limp **** response for the viewers...in other words you admitedly have no, zero, zilch facts to back up your deliberate innuendo about Brady. The epitome of a troll. What a major loser.

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FootballFanetic said:

Maybe, maybe not--34 is a bit old for a QB, those Kelly references above aside. (If I wasn't clear above, I meant 2 years after 2008--my bad on that.) He may be helped since he doesn't rely on his legs much, if at all, plus until now he hasn't been hit much (although we all expect teams to go at him more this year after the SB--up to Scarnecchia to take care of that).

I don't expect Moss to see the third year of his three-year deal myself, however. Speed receivers tend to go pretty quick (slight pun intended) at around 32-33, which Randy will be shortly. Won't mean he'll fall off a cliff, since he's still got great height, hands and general skills/canniness, but I think his production will slip a good bit after this season and perhaps next, to the point where he won't be worth $9m a year.

Now that you've brought it up, looking at your roster I was a bit surprised that it was older at other spots than I'd thought (we all know about your LBs and Rodney), like O-line and RB. I mean, Neal will be 32 in Oct. and Light is 30 and Hochstein will be 31 this fall. While lineman can play longer than speed players, in 2-3 years time you'll still be looking to replace those guys in the near term. Kevin Faulk may have one more good year left and Sammy Morris (who I loved as a Bill, BTW) is 31 already--where did the years go?

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I take it you have no idea who our GM is, I also take it you have no idea what the NFL draft is.

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Are you serious? Hochstein. Hochstein. HOCHSTEIN!!!! He's barely even a backup. He doesn't play. He may not make the team THIS YEAR!!.

In case you haven't noticed, the Patriots loaded up on linebackers this year.

Jerrod Mayo
Victor Hobson
Shawn Crable

They'll fit in nicely around:

Adalius Thomas
Mike Vrabel
Tedy Bruschi
Junior Seau
Pierre Woods
Eric Alexander