OT: Boston Success Question

Kontradiction · Jun 19, 2008

Michael said:
Wrong on all counts.

Not really. Maybe on the Foxboro not being jam packed before '01 (I didn't live in N.E. during the Parcells era). But not about even the Miami teams having a rabid fan base. Despite the fact the Heat were losing, a lot of fans still packed into the AmericanAirlines Arena (I know because I went to two games this year, sadly) and the Dolphins are still the major talk of all South Florida newspapers despite the fact that they were teh suckage. Face it, not everything revolves around Boston. And I say this as a displaced Bostonian from birth.

Oh, and Philly's fanbase is A LOT more rabid than our's. What have they won in the past 25 years? Keep that in mind next time you watch a Phillies, 76ers, or Eagles game and you hear how loud they are.

NormZauchin · Jun 19, 2008

Wildo7 said:
75% strong management, 25% Luck.

As good as Pioli, Belichick, Theo and even Ainge have been, and they've been great, certain things have just developed perfectly for them.

David Ortiz coming out of nowhere, having three hungry All stars willing to swallow their egos and take less money for a championship, Tom "6th round" Brady are all fortunate events. That's not taking away anything from those in control, but all success in sports requires some degree of luck and I'd say that along with having some very shrewd people in charge, we've also been very lucky.

Luck is the residue of design.

--- Branch Rickey

BTTA · Jun 19, 2008

The Red Sox are one of the great business marketing successes in modern history. To create "Red Sox Nation" in a couple of decades, working out of a city that is only the 25th largest in the country, is remarkable.

The Patriots aren't that far behind in quality of organization.

I love to tease my NYC friends about this: NYC is nearly 15 times the population of Boston. The ratio doesn't change much when you calculate their respective metro areas, either. NYC Metro has twice the professional sports teams that Boston metro has, and yet has won only a single championship in this decade, while Boston has six.

The contrast in the quality of organizations and their successes is just silly.

Boston, btw, is less than half the size of Dallas, San Diego, Phoenix, and San Antonio, Other cities that are significantly larger than Boston include Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Detroit, Memphis, and yes, even the home of the Yankee's AAA club, Columbus Ohio.

pheenix11 · Jun 20, 2008

Bob Kraft set the bar for this city. He taught this town how to win and forced the others to get their shyt together or face becoming irrelevant like the Bruins.

SHOWTIME15 · Jun 20, 2008

bruinator said:
If you guys could come up with one reason why Boston teams have been so successful this decade why would it be? Be it a reason or person or what ever?

Discuss

boston has been the only city in the US to have dynasties in at least two major sports: Patriots, Celtics. If the red sox win this year, then they will have had dynasties in THREE major sports.

The only other successful sports city I can think of is Detroit. The Red Wings have 4 championships in the last 11 years, and the pistons had their dynasty. I'm still debating whether the Wings qualify as a dynasty or not - championships in 97, 98, 02, and 08.

SHOWTIME15 · Jun 20, 2008

betterthanthealternative said:
The Red Sox are one of the great business marketing successes in modern history. To create "Red Sox Nation" in a couple of decades, working out of a city that is only the 25th largest in the country, is remarkable.

The Patriots aren't that far behind in quality of organization.

I love to tease my NYC friends about this: NYC is nearly 15 times the population of Boston. The ratio doesn't change much when you calculate their respective metro areas, either. NYC Metro has twice the professional sports teams that Boston metro has, and yet has won only a single championship in this decade, while Boston has six.

The contrast in the quality of organizations and their successes is just silly.

Boston, btw, is less than half the size of Dallas, San Diego, Phoenix, and San Antonio, Other cities that are significantly larger than Boston include Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Detroit, Memphis, and yes, even the home of the Yankee's AAA club, Columbus Ohio.

doesn't 2000 count as part of this decade or is that part of the 90s?

BTTA · Jun 20, 2008

TommyBrady12 said:
doesn't 2000 count as part of this decade or is that part of the 90s?

Officially, decades run from '01 to '00, just as centuries do.

SHOWTIME15 · Jun 20, 2008

betterthanthealternative said:
Officially, decades run from '01 to '00, just as centuries do.

that makes me feel a lot better. lol ny has only one championship this decade.

scrambler85 · Jun 20, 2008

Heard about this article on Dale and Holley today from Bernie Miklasz of stltoday.com about why he's sick of Boston. It's an interesting perspective from a St. Louis native.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/berniemiklasz/story/42BAAAF86025FA598625746D0014AB03?OpenDocument

I have to say even though I usually enjoy Bill Simmons, my favorite part was:

And I can't take another column/blog by relentless Boston sports homer Bill Simmons on ESPN.com. Most guys in our business can get a column done in 800 words or so, but every time a Boston team wins a game, Simmons feels compelled to cluster bomb about 27,438 words on innocent sports fans. The dude takes himself more seriously than Thomas Paine did in writing "Common Sense" during Revolutionary War times.

castlelong1 · Jun 20, 2008

CamNeely8 said:
New rejuvinated ownership in every case. Now if only Jeremy Jacobs would sell.....

Maybe. Jury, frankly is still out on all 3 teams.

When there are 0 players left from the first championship then we can credit the FO for replacing players as they age, not getting lucky and getting good players.

Yes, that holds true for the "Brady era" Patriots too.

OT: Boston Success Question

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