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Another thread where expert windbags talk about a guy without knowing the facts of the case.

What do you expect, we're Patriot fans.
 
Besides staying true to the "Don't tell on me, I don't tell on you" rule:

User should make purchases from dealer at least twice a week regardless if the user has money. The dealer is fine with stolen money or goods, or if available, a fine-looking and helpful sister, girlfriend or just friend.

Bartering is always acceptable. However, no VHS players or tapes. Video games systems and other electronics should be of modern technology. Cars must have ignition systems, and no more than one broken window. Make sure weapons cannot be traced back to other "activities."

Do not leave your dealer for a new dealer who begins selling product at a reduced rate. Inform the dealer of the new guy, and the problem will be settled. You don't have to know what happens, but rest assured, your dealer will be very grateful.

Do not come to dealer with more than one new person. Seriously, this isn't a group activity.

Explain any unexpected bumps or wires on your person before beginning a transaction with your dealer. If the dealer hears transmission feedback or radio static coming from your person, it means an automatic end to the user-dealer relationship, and possibly user's life.

Pretty realistic insight into the relationship. The one thing you leave out is the wierd "bond" that develops between a regular customer and the dealer.

If you're a regular, you'll get freebies from time to time.

if you're a regular, you can hang out with the dealer and share his stash while holding onto your own.

If you're a regular customer, you may even get to go over to the dealers supplier or at least wait in his car while the deal goes down.

If you're a regular customer, you can hang with the dealer and talk about life as if you're both "normal" and convince each other that everything is ok.

That's from my own experience as a regular customer to a drug dealer and even 19 years later it makes me sick.
 
This thread is great. Brings back memories of the Kevin Faulk arrest thread.

I swear that a Patriot could kill someone and people on here would still say it's alright, it's no big deal.
 
Alright guys, 7:00 is just around the corner and I'm about ready to go home. It's been fun. Shall we continue this tomorrow?

kinda early isn't it you slouch? You must be pre-disposed to laziness, but don't worry, it's not your fault!
 
This thread is great. Brings back memories of the Kevin Faulk arrest thread.

I swear that a Patriot could kill someone and people on here would still say it's alright, it's no big deal.

That's a mighty big step pats1.

We're only talking about drugs & addiction in a violent sport where addiction is probably a much bigger problem than we'll ever know.

After all, the show must go on whether your knee is torn up or not. And there's the young rook just waiting to take your job. Personally, I think I'd probably opt for the pain killers too.

I know you intended your comment as tongue-in-cheek:p
 
Fixit: "I'm from the hood." PatriotRain: "I'm on drugs."
Together: "Our experiences are the whole truth."

BadMo, don't ever quote me as saying I'm on drugs even if you're joking...it's not funny at all.

Why would you even say that?

Whatever motivated that comment, you're way off base and I'll be waiting for your apology.
 
Pretty realistic insight into the relationship. The one thing you leave out is the wierd "bond" that develops between a regular customer and the dealer.

If you're a regular, you'll get freebies from time to time.

if you're a regular, you can hang out with the dealer and share his stash while holding onto your own.

If you're a regular customer, you may even get to go over to the dealers supplier or at least wait in his car while the deal goes down.

If you're a regular customer, you can hang with the dealer and talk about life as if you're both "normal" and convince each other that everything is ok.

That's from my own experience as a regular customer to a drug dealer and even 19 years later it makes me sick.

Not to be a mean, because I know you possibly mean well, but you shouldn't really open up so much about what you have or haven't done in your life.

This is a message board about football, not about addiction recovery. I know you want to show that you know about illicit drugs, but in many ways, you sound like a high school kid trying to win an argument because you've been there and done that.

My post was made in jest, but of course I know it is true. Many of us know the drug game, and how it works NOW, but just because we might not be as old as you or a once-addicted drug user, you think your arguments trump all.

Anyways, congrats on your continued recovery.


And as far as what this thread was supposed to be, I can really care less what happens to Kaczur. I don't know him as a person, so I can't comment on that. However as a football player, he's nothing special and can be replaced. If nothing happens to him, I'm cool with that also.
 
BadMo, don't ever quote me as saying I'm on drugs even if you're joking...it's not funny at all.

Why would you even say that?

Whatever motivated that comment, you're way off base and I'll be waiting for your apology.

It's a joke, man, sorry if it got your britches in a bunch.
 
-Well since we're 'waiting for the facts' to come out, you can say the same thing about yourself. Oh, and it was a question, not an answer.

Since, to the best of my knowledge, I didn't claim to know facts that I didn't, or even imply some, and didn't pass any judgments, you can't say the same about me, actually.


-If he didn't, but sought it out... he is a junkie.


-If he had one, it stopped, and he sought it out from a third party supplier... he is a junkie.

He may be an addict, although neither of us know the full story yet. "Junkie" is a term generally used to describe heroin addicts, although it does get occasional broader use similar to the way you're using it. I don't tend to like the PC notion of word change, but "junkie" is usually a specialized term and doesn't really fit this situation.

-You are aware that cops can find out whether or not you are perscribed without having the perscription on you right? He wasn't perscribed, they verified it and it arrested him.

My family is in the medical field and my stepfather was once the director of an addiction facility. I know how this stuff works all too well, and I'm not going to argue the nuts and bolts of prescriptions when the facts will be out soon enough.

-I knew two addicts who would disagree with you on that one. Kids today take it because it gets you high. If you're taking it because it gets you high, you're doing it for kicks. Now if you want to make an argument on the difference of the effects, I'm with ya.

The plural of anecdote is not data, sorry. For the purposes of this discussion, I really don't care that you knew two addicts, just as I don't care that I've known a lot more than two addicts. I never claimed that nobody takes it to get high. I said you don't partake of it for kicks, at least in theory. I also realize that some people sniff glue. However, again, IN THEORY (or in general, if you prefer), sniffing the fumes is not why people by glue.

-This is the same recycled argument used against me 1,000 times in this thread. If he took it for pain, he would need to make the conscious choice to actively seek it out after the perscription ended. I'm not saying he did it for kicks, just that he made his choice and now has to live with it.

He may have been addicted while still on a valid, legal prescription. Acting as if his actions at that point would be "the conscious choice" just shows a complete ignorance on your part regarding how addiction works. I'm not recycling any argument, I'm merely pointing out some things you don't seem to know. Feel free to look up the information on this subject.


-BINGO!!! This is why this argument started. People in this thread seem content to let Kaczur off the hook for any wrongdoing while putting 100% of the blame on the dealer. My argument is that Kaczur is just as much, if not more at fault for seeking out the drugs in the first place. As I said earlier: advertisement can only do so much without an error in human judgement. Kaczur made that error yet is still being looked upon as an angel by many in this thread. By the way, I never once said in this thread or any other that the dealer wasn't at fault either. I actually called the dealer a scumbag too. But I'm not so much of a blind homer to let Kaczur off the hook for this.

Your argument is ignorant because you don't know the facts. You're being every bit as ridiculous as the people you claim are letting him "off the hook". Addicts who follow doctors' instructions in good faith aren't generally going to be to blame for their resultant addictions to a known addictive drug, and it's just moronic to claim they are.
 
That's a mighty big step pats1.

We're only talking about drugs & addiction in a violent sport where addiction is probably a much bigger problem than we'll ever know.

After all, the show must go on whether your knee is torn up or not. And there's the young rook just waiting to take your job. Personally, I think I'd probably opt for the pain killers too.

I know you intended your comment as tongue-in-cheek:p

It is, but I'm sick of people saying "Oh, everyone does it," "it's nothing harmful" whenever this comes up - the third time so far this offseason.
 
Kaczur SB Performance? - Drug Degraded?

Ok,
Dispense upfront with the
1. obligatory "we all hope for his personal recovery" &
2. of course we don't actually know jack about the truth of the story yet.

Lets just go on pure idle speculation and the historical visual evidence (if you can stomach re-visualizing or re-watching the loss).....

Do you think Kaczur's SB 42 performance was degraded by drug consumption? (poll)

And follow-up by posting: Is this a run him out of town offense?
 
Fixit: "I'm from the hood." PatriotRain: "I'm on drugs."
Together: "Our experiences are the whole truth."


See, the trick to effectively fake quoting people is that the quote should be pretty close to what was actually said.

Thank you Fixit! I never said anything close to "I'm on drugs". As a matter of fact, BadMo knows I've talked at length about me being a recovering addict.
 
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Except the difference is that I know I'm arrogant.

And with any luck someday you will realize you are also ignorant. Then you will truly be enlightened and perhaps capable of displaying empathy towards the less enlightened.

Nobody here today said Kaczur did a good thing when he took unprescribed pain meds. We just said we understand how it can happen. What we did say was the drug dealer deserved to be turned in because he was engaged in an illegal enterprise that impacts well beyond one NFL player.

pats1 said:
This thread is great. Brings back memories of the Kevin Faulk arrest thread.

I swear that a Patriot could kill someone and people on here would still say it's alright, it's no big deal.

Actually I think we take our lead from Bill - it is what it is, NFL players are human and many of them are flawed humans. Got a lot of fans who apparently put them on pedastals, and then resent it when they topple off unless of course they get beaten to a pulp in the process to insure retribution for the disappointment they caused.
 
It is, but I'm sick of people saying "Oh, everyone does it," "it's nothing harmful" whenever this comes up - the third time so far this offseason.

The natural reaction to an addict is disgust. Even though addiction is a disease, people will quickly judge someone with substance abuse problem. It's in the American Medical Association's book as a disease but most people think they know better than our medical profession and judge the addict as weak regardless of his condition.

Let me just say this. I have never met an addict who said he always aspired to be an addict. No one wants to be an addict. It tears you down from the inside out and ultimately takes your desire to live.

So try to step back and understand that there is no sport that permanently puts men in pain like the game of football. I'm sure Mr Kaczur wants to be a good man who is respected by his family and community.
 
The natural reaction to an addict is disgust. Even though addiction is a disease, people will quickly judge someone with substance abuse problem. It's in the American Medical Association's book as a disease but most people think they know better than our medical profession and judge the addict as weak regardless of his condition.

Addiction is a "disease" because American's love to make excuses for the lowest common denominator, in this case a scummy junkie.

I also love the "tons of people in the NFL use these drugs" excuse. I thought it may have gotten old after the videotaping, but nope. Patriots apologists who think no one on the team can do any wrong will continue to trot it out. It's cute, if also a bit pathetic and sad.

Oh well, hopefully the tattle tale junkie will still get punished for breaking the law and league rules.
 
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That's a mighty big step pats1.

We're only talking about drugs & addiction in a violent sport where addiction is probably a much bigger problem than we'll ever know.

After all, the show must go on whether your knee is torn up or not. And there's the young rook just waiting to take your job.

You're probably right about it being more widespread in football than we realize, and it's unfair to judge him for becoming addicted. Maybe he's just one of several or even many, but he got caught.Maybe that gave him a reality check and will be a good thing for him in the long run. Hopefully his cooperation indicates a positive step for him in that regard.
But that still doesn't make it ok, nor does it make me feel any better about the possible consequences of him turning on his dealer. I have no idea and I know my opinion is basically uninformed but a worst-case scenario sounds like it could get pretty ugly. Looking at it from a "good of the team" perspective, I hope he goes elsewhere if there's even the slightest possibility that his life may be in danger. How would the Pats deal with that, and how would it affect Nick? Selfishly I'm feeling like there's been enough drama around here without the threat of violence hanging over their heads. Being accused of cheating is one thing;never knowing if, when, or where your teammate's head will get blown off is quite another:eek:
I wish Nick all the best, hope he recovers, and I hope nothing ever happens to him but if what you guys are saying is a real and distinct possibility, then he'd better get himself and his family the heck out of Dodge and start over somewhere else or something. I'm sure if anyone wanted to get to him badly enough, they eventually will.

Maybe he should have just gone to jail-at least he'd come out being able to live some sort of normal life, but this decision he made may have just turned his * to grass.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
As far as the painkiller addiction possibly being an NFL problem, that makes complete sense though I'm not sure where the NFL would go with that information. Investigate how many refills get prescribed and for how long maybe, but then again some of these guys are pretty big and their injuries can be pretty ongoing.
But knowing how addictive these drugs are, shouldn't the fact Nick may have been asking for more refills way beyond the average time span for his particular injury sent up a red flag to his doctor(s) that he could be addicted? We don't know anything so it's not fair to speculate about how it started but I can't ever imagine turning in your dealer would have no consequences.
 
Addiction is a "disease" because American's love to make excuses for the lowest common denominator, in this case a scummy junkie.

I also love the "tons of people in the NFL use these drugs" excuse. I thought it may have gotten old after the videotaping, but nope. Patriots apologists who think no one on the team can do any wrong will continue to trot it out. It's cute, if also a bit pathetic and sad.

Oh well, hopefully the tattle tale junkie will still get punished for breaking the law and league rules.

I agree, the homers make us look bad. Junkies are scum, and I don't want to hear excuses for thier crimes.
 
Let me give you some advice BadMo, you can't have an opinion on something you know nothing about.

There is never a time in the process of becoming an alcoholic where we think "wow, look at the signs, I should get some help"...NEVER!

We typically have those thought when it's too late and we've already become addicted. There is no consious decision making in becoming addicted.

I know that for a fact & you don't.

One thing I'm seeing here is that you are assuming some things. You seem to be assuming the Kaczur is an addict. He could be straight and running pills to Boston to pay off an old drug debt, or even a different illegal debt. You are also assuming that if he is an addict that he has a genetic propensity towards addiction. Maybe he simply partied so hard and so long that he became addicted and chose to ignore any signs and he doesn't have that gene. I think it's safe to say that not every addict has that gene, and that not every person with that gene becomes an addict. All we really have are the facts. He was busted with oxy and cut a deal. That's all we know and it isn't even written in stone that he cut a deal. I just hope everything works out well for him and the Pats.

BTW...this thread will probably be part of the next release of Grand Theft Auto. :D
 
It's illegal today, though and the cops were just doing their job. The dealer was just doing what the doctors do, except they don't charge the doctors with drug dealing because...well...they're doctors.
Not to mention the fact that doctors don't have to commit a felony to acquire them to distribute.
 
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