Bartman Left Chicago, Why Does Tomase Keep His Job?

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MoLewisrocks said:

Sorry 23, know Tomase was for some reason your boy. But he F'ed up royally. As Holley stated this AM as a journalist himself, this isn't going to go away for John. Life is all about choices. This isn't the first poor choice he's made either. Last one cost him his beloved Sox beat. He obviously felt pressured to run with his Walsh story absent a credible source. You win some you lose some. But at the end of the day you are what you write in that business. He either has to make the reading public and his peers aware of why he did what he did and do his mea culpa for being duped (or cop to putting his own drive for potential advancement above the minimal standards of his industry) , or his work here is effectively ended. It probably is anyway. As Bill would say, it is what it is.

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Why did Tomase lose the Sox beat?

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I read it here that Tomase told his editor that the story was not ready to go but they ran it anyway because of the breaking Fish story. If I am wrong let me know. I hold the Hearld and editors more responsible than Tomase.

Also Bartman did what he did in front of millions. He is lucky that they did not pour out of the Billy Goat Tavern and beat him. He is dealing with Cub fans.

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fourthandmiles said:

Also Bartman did what he did in front of millions. He is lucky that they did not pour out of the Billy Goat Tavern and beat him. He is dealing with Cub fans.

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Please tell me, what did Bartman "do"?

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patsox23 said:

d) sane.

F off to those who think being some kind of homeristic fan-boy about this issue - many months after passions should've begun flagging - means you've cornered the market on integrity. What you've cornered the market on is IRONY.

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What's interesting about Tomase is he's a very fine wordsmith, maybe the best in town. He can really write. He has talent.

He doesn't seem to have good judgment though. For whatever reason, he started out with a natural animosity for the Pats, realized he was alienating the fans, and reined himself in and for a while produced high quality material, and received credit for it here and elsewhere.

Maybe he was misled by a mentor journalist whom he trusted.

He ruined the Sb experience for millions of people, regardless of the outcome of the game.

I realize you are a big supporter of his for whatever reason. Sorry.

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fourthandmiles said:

I read it here that Tomase told his editor that the story was not ready to go but they ran it anyway because of the breaking Fish story. If I am wrong let me know. I hold the Hearld and editors more responsible than Tomase.

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Well that's too bad for Johnny but his name is on the story. Just like Belichick would have been screwed, rightly or wrongly, had Walsh had a walkthrough tape even if Belichick hadn't known about it, Tomase is screwed because he wrote the story. I imagine he'll stick it out in Boston as long as possible as he will likely have a hard time getting a job in even a mid major market, let alone a monster market like Boston. One way or another, though, Johnny can't be long for this market.

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PonyExpress said:

Why did Tomase lose the Sox beat?

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A couple of years ago he went on an over the top vitriol laced tyraid on Manny. Not only in print but on TV (NECN). I believe it was just prior to Manny putting up another monster season and winning the WS MVP... It even incensed the Sox FO. He immediately became persona non grata on Yawkey Way. It was embarassing, but it was great talk show radio fodder and that attracted the attention of the tabloid Herald who had an entry level opening in their shrinking sports department due to Felger's expanding his horizons into talk show radio (which had diminished his access value in Foxboro anyway). They let the mundane blogger Reiss go to the Globe and hired Tomase who was mired at the Lawrence Eagle Tribune to assume the Pat's beat reporter job at the Herald, probably on Felger's recommendation...

I guarantee you the first he heard of Walsh came from his mentor, Felgie.

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Come on


Bartman did NOTHING...he went to the game as a fan and instinctively reached out for a souveneir as would every person this board.


That jacka** TOMA**e malicioulsy destroyed the vibe for the single most important game in New England Sports History to further his own sorry career, when he did not have solid facts.


To all the Toma**e apologists...GO F yourself

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As much I think tom-azzy is a scumnag with what he did..there are higher ups in teh Herald that also have to be accountable because they APPROVED it.

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MoLewisrocks said:

A couple of years ago he went on an over the top vitriol laced tyraid on Manny. Not only in print but on TV (NECN). I believe it was just prior to Manny putting up another monster season and winning the WS MVP... It even incensed the Sox FO. He immediately became persona non grata on Yawkey Way. It was embarassing, but it was great talk show radio fodder and that attracted the attention of the tabloid Herald who had an entry level opening in their shrinking sports department due to Felger's expanding his horizons into talk show radio (which had diminished his access value in Foxboro anyway). They let the mundane blogger Reiss go to the Globe and hired Tomase who was mired at the Lawrence Eagle Tribune to assume the Pat's beat reporter job at the Herald, probably on Felger's recommendation...

I guarantee you the first he heard of Walsh came from his mentor, Felgie.

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Wow, I remember that now, listening to WEEI. You know somehting, I stopped listening to Felger's show last May when he started denigrating Moss after that false GB scoop made him look like a fool- but I heard Tomase on around then, and he said something which i had never heard a journalist say. He was enraged at BBonds chasing Aaron's record, and said venomously that he wanted Pitchers around baseball to bean Bonds and end his career to stop him from breaking the record. At first, I thought it was one of those slip ups that happen, but he repeated his statement with dead seriousness, and I thought to myself "That is a bad guy". Just because you don't like Bonds, and there's plenty of reason to dislike him, doesn't mean you want the guy brain dead.

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MoLewisrocks said:

Sorry 23, know Tomase was for some reason your boy. But he F'ed up royally. As Holley stated this AM as a journalist himself, this isn't going to go away for John. Life is all about choices. This isn't the first poor choice he's made either. Last one cost him his beloved Sox beat. He obviously felt pressured to run with his Walsh story absent a credible source. You win some you lose some.

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And if THIS were the premise of the thread, I might agree with you. Your take is tough, but fair. It is arguable. It is SANE. But this thread is NOT measured. It is off-the-charts ******ED and so over-the-top that the culpability of Tomase as some sort of Monty Burns intent on bringing down the Patriots comes back around and lands on Shmessy's doorstep as the person who's intentionally B.S.-ing the people on this board. It is, in its own small way, more willfully despicable than anything Tomase has written.

I'm not guarding Tomase's back here. I'm guarding the back of REASON. Adulthood. Honesty. Integrity. Shmessy has sullied this forum with overreaching crap like this. I'm just setting the record straight and introducing a degree of truth to the issue.

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marcus said:

TOMA**e malicioulsy destroyed the vibe

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Words that leap to mind: RECESS. ******. BABIES. INSANITY. The downfall of patsfans.com. You people are laughable.

"Maliciously destroyed the vibe?" MALICIOUSLY?! "destroyed the vibe?" Seriously? THIS is what you guys are defending? Good grief.

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patsox23 said:

And if THIS were the premise of the thread, I might agree with you. Your take is tough, but fair. It is arguable. It is SANE. But this thread is NOT measured. It is off-the-charts ******ED and so over-the-top that the culpability of Tomase as some sort of Monty Burns intent on bringing down the Patriots comes back around and lands on Shmessy's doorstep as the person who's intentionally B.S.-ing the people on this board. It is, in its own small way, more willfully despicable than anything Tomase has written.

I'm not guarding Tomase's back here. I'm guarding the back of REASON. Adulthood. Honesty. Integrity. Shmessy has sullied this forum with overreaching crap like this. I'm just setting the record straight and introducing a degree of truth to the issue.

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I don't agree 100%, but enough to say "well said". I think Thomase' well-known shenanigans on this board would've prolly been enough to get him fired (possibly) by a reputable media outlet if they had known about it/cared/pursued it. His perceived vitriol and/or fabricated story(s) notwithstanding.

I love the team and follow them, not the media's take on them, so I'm not really hip to the inticate details. I'm guessing Thomase fancies himself after historically significant journalists but lacks the talent and resources. The Herald is a tabloid and may well be willing to swallow all of the negatives for notoriety. As Schmessy said, it's a big business with many strands to it's web. Alienating a few thousand die-hards is small potatoes when revenue is generated by millions of web-hits, and hundreds of thousands of purchases to by casuals, simply to see what the hub-bub is all-about. Particular when "mal-practice" insurance might cover the costs of any litigation.

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oldskool138 said:

That'd be very hard to prove. A newspaper article directly causing the Krafts to lose a dollar's worth of merchandise.

The fact they haven't filed a suit should be evidence enough for the folks here who want Tomase and the Herald put into bankruptcy. The Pats want this to go away as quickly as possible. Why let it linger in the courts for months on end?

They're letting it go and so should we. If you never buy another copy of the Herald or read another word Tomase writes, fine. That's your choice. That tubby bastard had a hot lead a day before the SB and wanted to beat the Globe to the punch. It's bad journalism but that's committed by both the Globe and Herald on a daily basis.

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How do you know Kraft "is letting it go". Just because they haven't filed a suit yet doesn't mean they're letting it go. The relevant evidence necessary for a lawsuit is just now coming out. It will be made official next week when Goodell makes his final remarks. To say they're "letting it go" this early in the game is a little bit premature.

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SoonerPatriot said:

How do you know Kraft "is letting it go". Just because they haven't filed a suit yet doesn't mean they're letting it go. The relevant evidence necessary for a lawsuit is just now coming out. It will be made official next week when Goodell makes his final remarks. To say they're "letting it go" this early in the game is a little bit premature.

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Kraft said as much when he apologized to the League at the meeting also, he did an interview with Reiss saying words to that effect.

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oldskool138 said:

Kraft said as much when he apologized to the League at the meeting also, he did an interview with Reiss saying words to that effect.

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I wasn't aware the Boston Herald was part of the league. I saw accounts of Kraft's remarks to the league. I don't recall anything that would suggest he was using it as an opportunity to forgive the Herald for their shoddy reporting.

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patsox23 said:

THIS IS AN ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS POST. "intentionally inventing?" You people make yourselves the culprits with GIGANTIC overreach B.S. like this.

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I agree. Look I am a huge pats fan, but some of you are trying to spin this like the PATRIOTS are not responsible for all this garbage. I don't think what was done to the pats was fair, but to make it seem like the pats did NOTHING is so ignorant it's laughable.

There is NO WAY the pats could win any type of lawsuit over this, and there is NO WAY the pats want this story to hang around for another 2 years. Anybody who is simply saying "take em to court and sue em" is the same person who answers questions like the cure to cancer with " we can put a guy on the moon but we cant cure cancer". it aint that simple! Seriously, less knee jerk reacting, more learning about what you are spewing out of your pie holes.

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patsox23 said:

YOU ARE A COMPLETE LUNATIC.

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I agree, a black mark to all edjucated pats fans. I mean honestly, some of these yahoo's are scary.

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Patslifer said:

I agree. Look I am a huge pats fan, but some of you are trying to sping this like the PATRIOTS are not responsible for all this garbage.

I don't think what was done to the pats was fair, but to make it seem like the pats did NOTHING is so ignorant it's laughable.

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You are confusing the subject of this thread with the September 2007 "Cameragate".

This thread references the "taping of the Rams SB 36 walkthrough" per Tomase's Feb 2 report in the Herald.

The Patriots did not do that.Walsh's lawyer says he never ever told Tomase that they did.

We are not talking about the September 2007 "Cameragate" here. That's a distinctly different point.

Hope that clarifies it for you.

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Patslifer said:

I agree, a black mark to all edjucated pats fans. I mean honestly, some of these yahoo's are scary.

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I would imagine the "edjucated" fans can spell educated.

Plus, the "edjucated" fans can tell the difference between the rule breaking that the Pats DID incur, for which they were penalized in September 2007, and the erroneous report about the Ram's walkthrough "taping" which Tomase and the Herald published on the eve of SB 42.

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shmessy said:

I would imagine the "edjucated" fans can spell educated.

Plus, the "edjucated" fans can tell the difference between the rule breaking that the Pats DID incur, for which they were penalized in September 2007, and the erroneous report about the Ram's walkthrough "taping" which Tomase and the Herald published on the eve of SB 42.

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You are correct, since I made a spelling error - I am an idiot. Guess what, there is no way the Patriots could win any type of suit vs the Herald, and anyone who knows a thing or two about law will tell you the same thing. You see my friend, the Herald will say they were simply reporting what their "credible" source told them, and they had no way of knowing the source was lying. The court's give newspapers the right to be wrong, as long as they are not knowingly trying to print lies, or discredit someone on purpose. Unless the Herald flat out says they were trying to lie, or evidence is uncovered to prove that, there is NOTHING the Patriots can do in a lawsuit.

However, they can attack the Herald in the wallet.