Season Tickets

fgssand said:

There is nothing left to chance if you own premium seats....no lottery for them.

My understanding is:

Luxury box holders are guaranteed SB tickets.

Club seat people get one SB ticket for every two club seats owned.

All other ST holders are in a seniority based lottery and there are very few tickets available for us. 10 pairs sounds about right.

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You are correct about the Club Suite and Luxury Box holders receiving Super Bowl tickets.

Club Suite season ticket holders sign a 10 year agreement and pay a huge premium. I don't even want to know what kind of a financial commitment the Luxury box holders make.

On one hand you are defending Kraft to the death. On the other you are claiming he only makes 10 Super Bowl tickets available to the rest of us.

I don't believe that at all. So only 5 people out of 60,000 get a chance to win the lottery?

Gainzo said:

So only 5 people out of 60,000 get a chance to win the lottery?

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There aren't that many season ticket holders, it's more like around 18,000 people with the title "season ticket holder" who have the 67,000 seats.

Tunescribe said:

There aren't that many season ticket holders, it's more like around 18,000 people with the title "season ticket holder" who have the 67,000 seats.

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That's true about the number of individuals who have season tickets. What's not true is the 67,000 you mentioned. There are 60,000 seats in the hands of season ticket holders. The other 7,000 or 8,000 are the Club & Luxury box people.

OK, after weaving through this thread, I have the truth:
1. Kraft is greedy. He raises ticket prices too much just because he can, because he really doesn't care about the average Joe, but about making as much profit as is consistent with having a good team and maintaining a semblence of good will. He built a crappy stadium that dissipates crowd noise so that it would make the pink-hat wearing corporate girls happy and feel at home, and so that it could house soccer. Screw soccer, let them play in a cramped field.
2. Kraft put the Patriots back on the map. He has done great things for our team.
3. The Pats organization would not have disintegrated without Kraft, it would have just not risen to the heights that it has.
4. Some people here don't understand how much money 2K is for some of us. In the old days of Foxboro stadium, going to games was much more fun, vibrant, crazy, energized, and accessible for the average Joe. My hunch is the people acting all indignant about the complaints here never went to any of those crazy games at Foxboro. Or if they did, and prefer Gillette, they are pink-hat wearing sissies.

God has spoken.

Gainzo said:

That's true about the number of individuals who have season tickets. What's not true is the 67,000 you mentioned. There are 60,000 seats in the hands of season ticket holders. The other 7,000 or 8,000 are the Club & Luxury box people.

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Don't the club and luxury box people have to buy season tickets too? I know the club seat holders do.

Gainzo said:

You are correct about the Club Suite and Luxury Box holders receiving Super Bowl tickets.

Club Suite season ticket holders sign a 10 year agreement and pay a huge premium. I don't even want to know what kind of a financial commitment the Luxury box holders make.

On one hand you are defending Kraft to the death. On the other you are claiming he only makes 10 Super Bowl tickets available to the rest of us.

I don't believe that at all. So only 5 people out of 60,000 get a chance to win the lottery?

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I do defend Kraft because I happen to believe without him this team was long gone. Nobody was serious about buying this club AFTER they did their due diligence. It was a losing proposition, period. Mr. Kraft got very lucky with the gamble he took on this club, he knows it - every single financial mind told him to take James Orthweins money and run. The FAN in him would not allow him to do that.

I sure do not like the fact that getting SB tix are virtually impossible even with my very high seniority, having has season tickets in my family from 1963-1966 and then continuously from 1971-present. The account was transferred into my name in 1988. Yet, I do understand why and as you have indicated, the people that made that kind of long term commitment should get the benefit of what their money brings. That is how things work in America.....money talks.

It really is simple, if you have a waiting list of over 50,000 (maybe it is only 40,000), and a team that contends for championships year in and year out, you might as well make hay while the sun shines. When you put on your business hat, do you do anything different??

You know what I find funny.....All the people who simaltaniously complain about ticket prices and the Coorperate group at Gillette. You don't want to pay the high ticket price that is required to pay the talent and you don't want people there who will.

Someone has to pay for the product........


IMO I can deal with the ticket price, I would perfer more die-hards.

dont blame Kraft....

blame the economy

pats1yes said:

I have to answer you honestly. And you would be surprised. The answer is YES, no question, no doubt, nothing to think about.

I am a FOOTBALL fan. I am not going to the opera. We had a kinship that you cannot explain. We were wild and crazy fans watching usually a bunch of bums, but darn we had fun.

Show up at 9:30 or so, eat, drink talk in the lot. Watch some football in a REAL football stadium, and we got out pretty darn good considering today.

Yes, the answer without one question or thought.

How I wish we could have that again.

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Be careful what you wish for......

Nostalgia is great, but if Kraft hadn't stepped up to the plate and built a stadium...

How does Los Angeles Patriots sound?

ALP said:

dont blame Kraft....

blame the economy

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I blame Kraft for the $44 per seat increase as the economy is sinking, but thats just me!

Seriously, for those of us who have tickets in the 100's it's a big hit. There are going to be a bunch of different people sitting down there next season.

Gainzo said:

I blame Kraft for the $44 per seat increase as the economy is sinking, but thats just me!

Seriously, for those of us who have tickets in the 100's it's a big hit. There are going to be a bunch of different people sitting down there next season.

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I'm beginning to think my mezzanine seats are the best deal in the whole stadium, although a $28-per-ticket increase is not t he happiest of developments either.

If anybody is trying to get rid of 3 tix for any regular season game (hopefully before it is freezing), please PM me. Nothing is definite, but I'd love to get a live game in.

I'm still trying to scrape together the $600+ that I need to pay for the ticket I get through my GF's brother. As we speak, I have one of my kidneys up for bids on eBay.

RayClay said:

Be careful what you wish for......

Nostalgia is great, but if Kraft hadn't stepped up to the plate and built a stadium...

How does Los Angeles Patriots sound?

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I'm sorry to say this, but you are flat out wrong.

We would have had a team, believe me. One of the largest markets without a team. Hah, no. Los Angeles is different trust me. California is beautiful. Warm weather, things to do, football is kind of an afterthought. Different kind of folks out there as a result. I actually have a great fondness for California and have lived in many parts of the state.

New England however is different. Great people, great food, beautiful land, and the most important part the absolute core of the earth lifestyle. Yes, winters are hard, but New England is a very special place. I have lived all over the country and the people in New England are so far and above anywhere else.

And in typical New England fashion they are slow to like you. But once they do, well, look at the Red Sox. New England has embraced the Patriots, and not just because they are winning. Again, look at the Red Sox. But I will say winning helped New Englanders look.

But, as frugal intelligent folk they tend not to like what Kraft is doing. Hard to get the loyalty, hard to leave the loyalty. But he needs to rethink what he is doing, and where he is doing it.

As the founders of our country taught us and as New Englanders, don't tread on me.

Greed is not looked upon very well in New England. It is at the very core of New England.

Heh...Billy Sullivan couldn't even afford a ticket and a beer to the Razor these days

pats1yes said:

I'm sorry to say this, but you are flat out wrong.

We would have had a team, believe me..

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No sir..no way and no how. How soon everyone really forgets what truly came down and it is really simple - without Bob Kraft you would have been rooting for the Giants last Feb. because that would have been your home team once again.

All of these other folks that people say would have stepped in and bought the team...Fireman, Karp, Lurie all of them had their chances and never did step up. James Orthwein did and he did so with one reason...to take a team back to the home of Budweiser.

Let's go back and really look at what really came down as 1993 was really almost the last season of our New England Patriots came to it's conclusion.

Bob Kraft owned the stadium.

James Orthwein owned the team.

The stadium had a lease through the year 2,000 I do believe.

Orthwein offered Kraft a lot of money to void the lease 75,000,000 - huge at the time.

That is it folks - that is the moment in time where your New England Patriots were within a whisker of leaving town and off to St Louis.

Right then and there had Kraft taken the offer - load up the vans folks because they were gone. St Louis really thought they had this team, plans had been made for two years as soon as Orthwein had bought the team from Kiam. Surely, nobody would be foolish enough to not only turn down that huge sum of money that Orthwein was offering, but to also pay 175,000,000 which was the highest price ever paid, by far, for a NFL franchise.

Say anything that you all want to - but the fact is Kraft did not take the money and he did pay a ridiculous amount of money for this team.

Furthermore, does anyone really think Boston or Massachusetts or anywhere in New England would have done what would have been required to lure a franchise back here?? Are you kidding me - the area could never even build a first class stadium for 42 years (I take nothing away from the great Billy Sullivan who also turned down some great offers and also built a serviceable & cool little stadium), until some guy by the name of Kraft built one with his own money.

Sorry folks, while you may not be pleased with the ticket increase, make no mistake about things - without the Krafts there would not be a team in New England.

please stop kissing krafts @ss... he has NEVER done one thing that didnt line his pockets.

and no, kraft did NOT build the stadium with "his own money"... he borrowed the money, and jacked up the tickets, and put in the corporate seats to pay for it... kraft DID NOT PAY FOR IT... the season ticket holders did...

and yes, new england easily could have built any stadium... ne is the biggest sports market in north america... if you dont think so, try buying a ticket to any sport, anywhere

Gainzo said:

Why would people be surprised? It was a $44 increase for goodness sake. Inflation is one thing but a 30 odd percent increase is much higher than the inflation rate.

Do you have season tickets? If not, STFU.

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The Bucs raised lower level prices from $76 to $99. Guess what ******, thats the same 30% increase and they suck.

Maybe you need to WTFU and realize that the dollar isn't worth the paper its printed on and a billionaire like Kraft knows this more than anyone else. The price of gas has gone up 50% in the last year and meanwhile your house has probably gone down 25% in value. If you want to ***** about getting economically ass raped, Kraft isn't even in the top 10.

Oh, btw, GFY.