Is Bill Belichick Getting Off Easy?

BJ_McWild said:

2. Situational football as I understand it calls for a run play on 1st (and can be argued for on 2nd as well) to make the Giants burn at least 1 TO or roll the clock way down. Pass on 3rd and 4th.

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They were down by three, they can't throw on 4th. That's the problem, if you run twice and don't make it you have only one shot throwing; but if you run only once you don't help yourself much with the NYG having 3 TO (2 after the run) and the 2 minute warning.

BelichickFan said:

They were down by three, they can't throw on 4th. That's the problem, if you run twice and don't make it you have only one shot throwing; but if you run only once you don't help yourself much with the NYG having 3 TO (2 after the run) and the 2 minute warning.

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yeah, I duffed that one...but at least run it once!

PATSNUTme said:

I need to go to the eye doctor. I thought that this thread said that BB only lost in Indy and BB only lost the SB.

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and if caldwell catches one ball (wide open) last year, we win the SB.
if samuel (pay me) catches a ball that hits his hands (and he admitted he should have jumped higher), than we win another one.

two players f*cked up two seasons. period. try coaching that.

I could not understand some fundamental things that were being and not being done by Bill and his staff. I am one who has always believed "In Bill I Trust" but what with all the blitzes? No counter measures for the pass rush like screens and draws. Also, there had to be a way to free Randy up?

It seemed as though we were playing a very bland team and yet with all our talent the staff had no counter plan to get us back on track.

To me, it's like Bill had 4 aces in his hand in a game of poker and folded.

MoLewisrocks said:

When you engage this clown in debate, what you are participating in is the dumbing down of a fanbase.

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I think I expose the "dumb" out of other fans when I state the obvious and they can't interpret it to save their life.

I said that Belichick is the best coach, yet you people think I'm calling for his head because I question him. I state that other coaches have won a Super Bowl in 3 years, and people take it to mean that those coaches are better. I state facts and you guys run off and make silly remarks.

I really think a lot of people are still in denial about the game, and the magnitude of the loss. So keep pretending like the last 3 postseasons of Patriot football never happened and I'll stay here in the present.

MoLewisrocks said:

When you engage this clown in debate, what you are participating in is the dumbing down of a fanbase.

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Post of the year.

Bella*chick said:

Nobody has squandered more chances for Superbowls than Tony Dungy.

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Ok, let's look at Dungy's playoff history with the Colts:

2002 - 5 seed, lost to a better team on the road
2003 - 3 seed, lost in AFC championship to SB champ on the road
2004 - 3 seed, lost in AFC divisional to SB champ on the road
2005 - 1 seed, lost to SB champ at home
2006 - 3 seed, won SB by winning 4, including overcoming the biggest deficit in championship game history
2007 - 2 seed, lost AFC divisonal at home

Maybe in 2005 he squandered a good opportunity, that's about it, but his team clearly wasn't in control of that game either. So even if you count that one, that's still less than Belichick's 2.

richpats said:

Ok, let's look at Dungy's playoff history with the Colts:

2002 - 5 seed, lost to a better team on the road
2003 - 3 seed, lost in AFC championship to SB champ on the road
2004 - 3 seed, lost in AFC divisional to SB champ on the road
2005 - 1 seed, lost to SB champ at home
2006 - 3 seed, won SB by winning 4, including overcoming the biggest deficit in championship game history
2007 - 2 seed, lost AFC divisonal at home

Maybe in 2005 he squandered a good opportunity, that's about it, but his team clearly wasn't in control of that game either. So even if you count that one, that's still less than Belichick's 2.

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And his team wasn't in control of that game because of his lousy coaching. He had team after team after team that could have/should have gone to the Superbowl and he has one title to show through some great regular seasons.

See, it's kind of a chicken and egg thing.

The only "dumb" your exposing is your own.

richpats

Word of advice. Quit the discussion while your getting your rear kicked. You have to be a super secret troll with that comment.

The Dolts were 13-0 and lost 3 of 4. "Not in control", uhhhhh They were the #1 seed, at home, coming off the bye week playing the #6 seed in their own house.

Psst- They are suppose to be in control. Dude, you might be angry, more likely you are a troll but seriously your points are easily the dumbest I have ever witnessed on a Pats blog.

Take the weekend off.

Bella*chick said:

And his team wasn't in control of that game because of his lousy coaching. He had team after team after team that could have/should have gone to the Superbowl and he has one title to show through some great regular seasons.

See, it's kind of a chicken and egg thing.

The only "dumb" your exposing is your own.

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I see you are playing the strict numbers game - "oh, Belichick has 3 in 6 appearances, Dungy has 1 in 6 appearances, therefore Dungy squanders more opportunities." BS. The last 2 Patriot playoff losses were blown opportunities above and beyond anything Dungy has blown.

rabthepat said:

No counter measures for the pass rush like screens and draws. Also, there had to be a way to free Randy up?

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How many times does the "no screens" garbage have to be debunked? They threw a very high amount of screens - I believe the offensive line study post by unoriginal counted 1 of every 6 drop backs was a screen pass.

You simply cannot coach around a defensive line dominating your OL and TEs 4 on 6. That is what happenned on Super Sunday. The Giants down 4 destroyed the Pats 6 assigned to block them.

And is their anything more ridiculous than claiming the most criticized man in all of sports is somehow getting off easy?

patsfaninpittsburgh said:

richpats

Word of advice. Quit the discussion while your getting your rear kicked. You have to be a super secret troll with that comment.

The Dolts were 13-0 and lost 3 of 4. "Not in control", uhhhhh They were the #1 seed, at home, coming off the bye week playing the #6 seed in their own house.

Psst- They are suppose to be in control. Dude, you might be angry, more likely you are a troll but seriously your points are easily the dumbest I have ever witnessed on a Pats blog.

Take the weekend off.

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**** you - you are delusional. Just because I'm not afraid to question "In Bill We Trust" for the coming seasons, doesn't mean I'm a "secret troll". You are just a blind homer, just like all the rest, just like I used to be. You are all afraid to take a look at what is happening to this team and you want to act as nothing is wrong and nothing will be wrong in the future.

What corrective measures need to be taken, Rich?

BB is 100% correct. It's still too early to evaluate this loss. However, as more info becomes available, the criteria for evaluation should be:

Was Brady hurt? If so, how badly. How did the injuries figure into the gameplan. I tend to agree with another thread concerning the sports hernia. His throws were very similiar to 2005.

What happened to the offensive line? How could our line be so dominated? What are we to do in the future?

I have no problems with the defense. It's unbelievably fustrating that it wasn't "we didn't make a play", it's that "we muffed the plays". I think I would feel better if Manning performed an 8 play dominating, surgical strike drive. Losing because of dropped ints, miracle catches, and unexplainable escapes is heartbraking.
However, you can't fault the scheme

Also, on the 4 and 13. We had the ball 3 and 7 on their 26 or 27. With points at a premium and constant pressure, would it have been smart to play for the FG vice passing and giving up a sack. Also, if you don't feel a FG is viable, why not punt and pin them. What's the worst? they start at the 20.

richpats said:

I see you are playing the strict numbers game - "oh, Belichick has 3 in 6 appearances, Dungy has 1 in 6 appearances, therefore Dungy squanders more opportunities." BS. The last 2 Patriot playoff losses were blown opportunities above and beyond anything Dungy has blown.

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And I see that you are under the assumption that the number of times the Colts lost with a great team that coaching had NOTHING to do with it. You seem to be under the bizarre assumption....with comments like "Well, they were overmatched in that game" that they coached a great game but just lost anyway. Many Colts fans who are tired of Dungy's underperformances would not agree.

richpats said:

His team was also in a position to lose the game in the closing minutes. That's on Belichick too. The Pats are always in a one-score ballgame late in his SB's. Good thing we won 3 of 4, could have been 0 of 4.

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So winning a SB isnt good enough for you, you need style points?
That is ridiculous.

I accept that as Patsfans we created this idea that just because we had Belichick we would win every big game. Guess how that got created? By what BB accomplished.
In other words if you hold BB to the standards of everyone who has ever coached in the NFL he is at the very least among the top few, and very likely best ever. If you hold him to your standard of what you thought he was by his ungodly record in big games, then he proved human, and you should crucifiy him.

Bella*chick said:

And I see that you are under the assumption that the number of times the Colts lost with a great team that coaching had NOTHING to do with it. You seem to be under the bizarre assumption....with comments like "Well, they were overmatched in that game" that they coached a great game but just lost anyway. Many Colts fans who are tired of Dungy's underperformances would not agree.

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The Colts have had a "great team" under Dungy maybe once, in 2005. Media hype does not make a great team, like it did in '03 and '04.

AndyJohnson said:

So winning a SB isnt good enough for you, you need style points?
That is ridiculous.

I accept that as Patsfans we created this idea that just because we had Belichick we would win every big game. Guess how that got created? By what BB accomplished.
In other words if you hold BB to the standards of everyone who has ever coached in the NFL he is at the very least among the top few, and very likely best ever. If you hold him to your standard of what you thought he was by his ungodly record in big games, then he proved human, and you should crucifiy him.

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No, Andy, he is the worst coach in the history of the NFL except every other coach in the NFL

richpats said:

I see you are playing the strict numbers game - "oh, Belichick has 3 in 6 appearances, Dungy has 1 in 6 appearances, therefore Dungy squanders more opportunities." BS. The last 2 Patriot playoff losses were blown opportunities above and beyond anything Dungy has blown.

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In 2006, the 4th seed Pats lost to the Colts ON THE ROAD.
Dungy lost twice to the Pats on the road, lost at home as a 1 seed, lost this year at home as a 2 seed.
I'm not understanding your point.