OT: Ty Law To Be Cut?

Yeah Ty is a very good player and played awsome in NE...I think some other team will be paying alot more $$$ then the PATS are willing to give...Like someone said that he is getting there up in age...Not saying he wouldn't be a bad player...I think youth is the way to go...my two cents...

I remember when the Chiefs "stole" him from us by giving him more money over what 5 or 6 years I think. BB and Pioli offered Ty a very good contract and he decided to go for a little more money and to play for Herm Edwards. Well, I guess he's about to get what he deserves. Don't get me wrong, I loved him when he was with us (in his prime), but money just got to him. It's obvious he's not nearly the same CB he used to be, but he's still good compared to the rest of the league. I have a hard time believing the Pats will try to go after him (if he's released) when he already turned them down before more than once. I bet he's thinking about how he could have been part of this historic team if only he agreed to that contract a couple years back. Ty Law's jersey is hanging in my bedroom right next to Lawyer Milloy's, which will always be two great players in my memory of New England Patriots. But that's it, they are hanging because to me, they are retired now. Great memories, but in past tense.

The 12th Man said:

I loved him when he was with us (in his prime), but money just got to him.

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What do you mean 'money just got to him'? He didn't want to take a paycut, he wanted to make as much money as he could. I'm pretty sure being in the league 12 years has more to do with where his skills are now than his financial dealings.

If Ty's priority in this business is to maximize his earning then he certainly did the right thing. Or do you think that the Patriots wouldn't cut him the moment they thought he was no longer worth what they were paying him just like the Chiefs are going to do?

I have a hard time believing the Pats will try to go after him (if he's released) when he already turned them down before more than once.

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Making team decisions based on pride would be monumentally stupid and not at all in keeping with how this team has been run. If they make Ty an offer it will be one that makes sense-they have never gotten in pissing matches over dollar amounts and let it become personal regardless of whether the player makes it so. They assess what a player is worth and if the player wants more they are free to go try and get it.

It's a business, try not to take it personally.

fnordcircle said:

What do you mean 'money just got to him'?

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What's that pic in your avatar? I always wonder.

Patjew said:

What's that pic in your avatar? I always wonder.

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Some GQ or another magazine picture spread Brady did where he is a captain done up in sepia tones or something. It was the avatar I was using on Somethingawful when I started posting again here.

I look at this as a simple math equation. If the Patriots are planning to let Wilson walk, getting Law is an idea that could work. Lose one, replace one. If Ty wants to replace Wilson and play for 2.4 million, that works for me.

Of course, "if" can be a mighty big word, despite being just 2 letters.

fnordcircle said:

What do you mean 'money just got to him'? He didn't want to take a paycut, he wanted to make as much money as he could. I'm pretty sure being in the league 12 years has more to do with where his skills are now than his financial dealings.

If Ty's priority in this business is to maximize his earning then he certainly did the right thing. Or do you think that the Patriots wouldn't cut him the moment they thought he was no longer worth what they were paying him just like the Chiefs are going to do?

Making team decisions based on pride would be monumentally stupid and not at all in keeping with how this team has been run. If they make Ty an offer it will be one that makes sense-they have never gotten in pissing matches over dollar amounts and let it become personal regardless of whether the player makes it so. They assess what a player is worth and if the player wants more they are free to go try and get it.

It's a business, try not to take it personally.

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Ty was never asked to take a pay cut per se. He was asked to restructure the back end of a phony backloaded deal that preceeded BB. He was offered the same new money he was due for 2004-2005 guaranteed plus 2 more seasons at that rate. It was a 4 year $24M deal through 2007. Last time I crunched the numbers he netted around a million less over the last 4 years than if he'd taken that deal in 2004. We then offered him a 2 year deal for around $9M plus a couple of million in makeable incentives when he was cut and Herm bailed on the JETS. But Herm offered him around a half million more up front on a longer version of that deal that he is now also apparently being cut from. Ty wanted the phony impressive sounding years tacked onto his deal, you know - the one's he never sees anywhere. Ty's ego always equated respect with contract terms.

Not sure if BB will do the dance with him again since the last time it just tied up FA money here all off season and resulted in shaping his contract somewhere else. And that after BB spent time burying the hatchet and clearing the air with a player he has always respected... He's another guy like Deion we were kinda counting on in 2006 who could have made a HUGE FREAKIN' DIFFERENCE in the AFCC game last January. Ty was always my boy, but given that even I have likely moved on.

If he were still playing here he would likely now be approaching HOF lock status. Instead he is now one of those HOF bubble afterthoughts.

With it being almost a given that Assante Samual (and his 7+ million salary) will be lost to free agency, I wouldn't have any problem whatsover with the Pats signing Law to a reasonable contract for a few years while waiting for a newly drafted cornerback (Antoine Cason?) to develop

Rob0729 said:

If Harrison retires after Sunday,

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If Brady retires after Sunday, who do you think the Pats should go after?

Sorry for being snippy, but I'm really tired of threads being derailed by the idea of Harrison retiring.

Anyhow -- Law is a very nice solid vet CB to play in the Pats' system. He's almost the ideal FA signing TO PLAY CB.

Patriot Missile said:

Ty Law is still better than 75% of the CB's. .

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I agree. the talent just isnt there

I'd be perfectly happy with a secondary consisting of

CB -- Ty Law
CB -- Ellis Hobbs
CB/FS -- Randall Gay
CB -- Chad Scott
CB -- high pick rookie

S -- Rodney Harrison
S -- James Sanders
S -- Brandon Meriweather
S -- Mel Mitchell
S/CB -- Willie Andrews

PS -- Antwoin (sp?) Spann
PS -- Ray Ventrone
PS -- new late pick/UDFA

And don't add further bodies when the injuries hit, because that's a bit greedy in terms of roster spots, given that next year won't be a good time to skimp on QBs, RB/FBs, or LBs.

And by the way, Law may be a greedy bigmouth, but I don't think he'd be much of a problem in terms of his role, should he come back. When it came to actual football, he always fit in fine.

Fencer said:

I'd be perfectly happy with a secondary consisting of

CB -- Ty Law
CB -- Ellis Hobbs
CB/FS -- Randall Gay
CB -- Chad Scott
CB -- high pick rookie

S -- Rodney Harrison
S -- James Sanders
S -- Brandon Meriweather
S -- Mel Mitchell
S/CB -- Willie Andrews

PS -- Antwoin (sp?) Spann
PS -- Ray Ventrone
PS -- new late pick/UDFA

And don't add further bodies when the injuries hit, because that's a bit greedy in terms of roster spots, given that next year won't be a good time to skimp on QBs, RB/FBs, or LBs.

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problem is he is slow cannot cover any of the fast younger WR so he has to be a safety or 3rd CB role .

i do not think we need a another strong safety
sanders and harrison are doing a very good job and when harrison retires we have merriweather for fs.
think
SS - Sander ,Harrison - Bigger hence slower run stuffing TE covering types -220lbs range
FS -Smaller faster backfield support type - speed is key merriweather and andrews fit this bill .

Ty law can play some SS at this age and speed but we have to develop another young big guy.i would them to pick up a smaller LB/Safety type in the 215LB range to develop in this role.Actually , we need a taller MLB type who is decent is coverage picked to play Strong Safety in our system.

OTIS was slow. Maybe if the pats can keep Samuel, Ty Law could slip in to the Otis role and Hobbs can cover the slot? Would that work?

Fencer said:

If Brady retires after Sunday, who do you think the Pats should go after?

Sorry for being snippy, but I'm really tired of threads being derailed by the idea of Harrison retiring.

Anyhow -- Law is a very nice solid vet CB to play in the Pats' system. He's almost the ideal FA signing TO PLAY CB.

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Why are threads derailed by the idea of Harrison retiring? Harrison retiring after winning his third Super Bowl is a real possibility. It might be a lower possibility than Seau or Bruschi retiring, but the guy is 35 years old, he has had injury problems in recent years, and his skills have deterioriated some. Why is it such a horrible thing to speculate when it is logical to think that there is a chance he would retire.

As for Law coming here, I have no problem with him playing CB but if he is here longer than a year his future will be at safety. This was the plan when Belichick went after him two years ago and that has always been Law's desire (to be the next Rod Woodson). If you go back and look back at articles from two years ago, that is what Law was saying behind the scenes then.

I think signing Law for a few years and also drafting a CB in the early rounds (I'm currently leaning that way in the first round, although we could probably trade down a bit and still get one of the top 2 guys) would be a fine plan for replacing Asante. That is especially true if Law is going to transition to safety during that time, since he can help the transition to the new guy, so he isn't thrust into the fire right away.

As others have pointed out, it comes down to a question of money. If Law is willing to accept a reasonable contract to come here (doesn't have to be vet minimum, btw) than count me as on board with the idea. His skills have diminished, but not to the point where he's completely useless.

Fencer said:

If Brady retires after Sunday, who do you think the Pats should go after?

Sorry for being snippy, but I'm really tired of threads being derailed by the idea of Harrison retiring.

Anyhow -- Law is a very nice solid vet CB to play in the Pats' system. He's almost the ideal FA signing TO PLAY CB.

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I would think most people agree that there is a greater chance of Harrison retiring than Brady. I don't see why its a big deal to say that Harrison may retire and then we would have to think about a replacement. I guess we shouldn't even discuss the idea of Asante leaving, Seau or Bruschi retiring, or Donte and Washington leaving because it might derail a thread and we don't know that its happening for sure.

Next to Rodney Harrison, Ty Law was one of the best blitzers from the secondary that we have ever had. It was a great weapon before last season. With the lose of Law and injuries to Harrison Belichick has found other ways ... but those old ways of Law / Harrison blitzing were great because as we all know ... they just didn't tackle when they got there.

Rob0729 said:

This year, he had two total INTs this entire year and

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in Champ Baileys last 7 full seasons, he's had more than 3 INT's only twice.

you can't just look at INT's, b/c it doesn't consider how often a guy was thrown at, nor does it consider how good of a job a CB did when his guy did catch the ball.

makewayhomer said:

in Champ Baileys last 7 full seasons, he's had more than 3 INT's only twice.

you can't just look at INT's, b/c it doesn't consider how often a guy was thrown at, nor does it consider how good of a job a CB did when his guy did catch the ball.

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I am not just looking at INT. I was just responding to a post that talked about how great he still is because he had two INTs in a playoff game two years ago.

Personally, I think one of Ty Law's worst years as a Pro was the year he lead the NFL in INTs when he was playing with the Jets. He made a lot of uncharacteristic costly mistakes that year.

I haven't watched every KC game this year, but from what I saw Law has lost a step. He isn't potentially getting cut by the Chiefs because he is still a top CB. If he was still a top CB, the Chiefs would make every effort to try to renegotiate his contract to keep him.