Giant Advantages ?

Satchboogie3 · Jan 28, 2008

leek21 said:
Nice stats... but since when did I argue the Giants had a better season ?
I fully realize the Pats had the better season... statistically and by any other measure.

But I can't help to notice what you left off your list... the Eagles... we both played them.

Even if the Giants win, the Patriots will still hold just about every statistical advantage over the Giants.

The games are played for a reason. I am merely pointing out some advantages the Giants have such as:

1) Burress over Hobbs
2) Giants rushing offense vs. NE rush defense
3) Bradshaw stepping up as a threat (missed first game)
4) Steve Smith stepping up as the 3rd receiver.
5) Giants KO team over the Pats KO team.
6) Strahan, Osi, Tuck as excellent pass rushers
7) Giants solid rush defense

If the Giants can run the ball (very possible) & put pressure on Brady from the front 4 alone then this will be a close game.

It's possible. Giants 38, Pats 34

I didn't leave the Eagles game out, and I just put it in bold to help you out.

The thing you fail to realize is that we had a FAR FAR FAR better season because we are a FAR FAR FAR better team. I'll also admit that there are/were a lot of amazing teams that didn't deal with pressure to well or blew big games. That isn't the Patriots. The Patriots are quite possibly the most well prepared team ever and the best at dealing with pressure.

You know, if I took your "look at this one game" approach, I could make the Dolphins look like a playoff team.

Charlotte Pats Fan · Jan 28, 2008

leek21 said:
Nice stats... but since when did I argue the Giants had a better season ?
I fully realize the Pats had the better season... statistically and by any other measure.

But I can't help to notice what you left off your list... the Eagles... we both played them.

Even if the Giants win, the Patriots will still hold just about every statistical advantage over the Giants.

The games are played for a reason. I am merely pointing out some advantages the Giants have such as:

1) Burress over Hobbs
2) Giants rushing offense vs. NE rush defense
3) Bradshaw stepping up as a threat (missed first game)
4) Steve Smith stepping up as the 3rd receiver.
5) Giants KO team over the Pats KO team.
6) Strahan, Osi, Tuck as excellent pass rushers
7) Giants solid rush defense

If the Giants can run the ball (very possible) & put pressure on Brady from the front 4 alone then this will be a close game.

It's possible. Giants 38, Pats 34

1) maybe
2) No
3) No
4) If this isn't the guy from Carolina than, NO
5) No
6) No, Osi 13 sacks for the year 6 in one Game.
7) Well the entire right side of the Pats line and Kyle Brady will be back for this game. I like the Pats chances.

If Spags is such a great DC why did it take him until he was 47 years old to get his first DC position. BTW, I know Spags we grew up in the same hometown and played Football, Baseball and Hockey together.

Last but not least, the Giants don't have anywhere near the talent the Eagles do in the secondary.

spacecrime · Jan 28, 2008

leek21 said:
I started off saying the Pats are a great team... but it IS HOMERISM to think they are better than the Giants in EVERY aspect of the game.

It is worse homerism to think the Giants are a better team han the Pats. Even a troll should admit that.

For one thing, the Giants are in the NFL Lite conference. Any of five AFC playoffs teams (not the Titans) are better than any of the NFL Lite teams. Titans are better than half the NFL Lite teams, though.

In week 17, we had an off game. You played your best game of the year. You still lost.

Nothing has happened since then has changed except that we are not likely to have another off game and you are not likely to play the best game of the year again. Result: Giants lose again.

You are entitled to you opinion. Keep it and enjoy it. What I don't understand is why you need for us to confirm it for you. If you have faith in your team, you wouldn't be here begging for us to validate your opinion.

Fact is, you KNOW your team is inferior to the Pats, Colts, Chargers, Steelers, Jaguars and possibly the Titans and that is why you are trying so hard to convince us.

If you truly believe your team is best, good for you. You don't need to be here begging for confirmation. Nice talking to you.

If you are deep down are afraid your team is inferior, stick around and try to convince us with cherry-picked stats. We love trolls with inferiority complexes.

Watson's IQ · Jan 28, 2008

spacecrime said:
It is worse homerism to think the Giants are a better team han the Pats. Even a troll should admit that.

For one thing, the Giants are in the NFL Lite conference. Any of five AFC playoffs teams (not the Titans) are better than any of the NFL Lite teams. Titans are better than half the NFL Lite teams, though.

In week 17, we had an off game. You played your best game of the year. You still lost.

Nothing has happened since then has changed except that we are not likely to have another off game and you are not likely to play the best game of the year again. Result: Giants lose again.

You are entitled to you opinion. Keep it and enjoy it. What I don't understand is why you need for us to confirm it for you. If you have faith in your team, you wouldn't be here begging for us to validate your opinion.

Fact is, you KNOW your team is inferior to the Pats, Colts, Chargers, Steelers, Jaguars and possibly the Titans and that is why you are trying so hard to convince us.

If you truly believe your team is best, good for you. You don't need to be here begging for confirmation. Nice talking to you.

If you are deep down are afraid your team is inferior, stick around and try to convince us with cherry-picked stats. We love trolls with inferiority complexes.

Very well put. I don't really understand why he wants the validation, but I think it's pretty clear at this point he's not going to get it here.

danny88 · Jan 28, 2008

Point blank...

The pats put up 38 points on the g men with the entire right side of the o line out , our best blocking tight end , on the road , playing vanilla record chasing football.

The g men will not score 34 on the d again. The d is playing great right now.

Leek when you said the g men had a advantage in the wr catogory you just looked stupid to be honest.

Pats 31 Giants 20

leek21 · Jan 28, 2008

spacecrime said:
It is worse homerism to think the Giants are a better team han the Pats. Even a troll should admit that.

You guys are funny... and have a serious case of the "I am an over emotional woman and will read too much between the lines syndrom".

Do me a favour and go back to everything I posted and find 1 statment that says the Giants are a better team than the Pats... I know the Pats are 18-0 and win in just about every statistical category. That FACT in itself is NOT enough to prove the Pats will win.

The EXACT same arguments were made by Cowboy fans... they beat the Giants twice, statistically had a better offense... and a fairly equal level defense. They couldn't get past the numbers.

The EXACT same arguments were made by Green Bay fans.. they beat the Giants in the regular season, statistically had a better offense.. and fairly equal level defense. They couldn't get past the numbers.

Giants can beat the Pats and the proved it in their loss in week 17. You guys got an improved O-line from the first game but it's not like the Giants stopped you in the first game.

The Giants have had significant improvements since the first game... Bradshaw, Smith, Boss, and an improved secondary.

Your 'great' defense gave up 35 points in the first game... I predicting 38 this time. Is that really a stretch ?

Your great offense scored 38 the first game.. I predict 34 this time. Is that really a stretch ?

Is that really a HOMER prediction ? Giants 38 Pats 34

Watson's IQ · Jan 28, 2008

leek21 said:
You guys are funny... and have a serious case of the "I am an over emotional woman and will read too much between the lines syndrom".

Do me a favour and go back to everything I posted and find 1 statment that says the Giants are a better team than the Pats... I know the Pats are 18-0 and win in just about every statistical category. That FACT in itself is NOT enough to prove the Pats will win.

The EXACT same arguments were made by Cowboy fans... they beat the Giants twice, statistically had a better offense... and a fairly equal level defense. They couldn't get past the numbers.

The EXACT same arguments were made by Green Bay fans.. they beat the Giants in the regular season, statistically had a better offense.. and fairly equal level defense. They couldn't get past the numbers.

Giants can beat the Pats and the proved it in their loss in week 17. You guys got an improved O-line from the first game but it's not like the Giants stopped you in the first game.

The Giants have had significant improvements since the first game... Bradshaw, Smith, Boss, and an improved secondary.

Your 'great' defense gave up 35 points in the first game... I predicting 38 this time. Is that really a stretch ?

Your great offense scored 38 the first game.. I predict 34 this time. Is that really a stretch ?

Is that really a HOMER prediction ? Giants 38 Pats 34

Yes, it is a homer prediction. It's not an outlandish homer prediction, but it is one. You realize how vanilla the scheme you saw in Week 17 was, correct?

That was the most points the Patriots Defense has allowed ALL year. It was 3 points shy of the most points the Giants had scored ALL year. This is only one point reinforcing the fact that the Pats played their worst game of the year, and the Giants their best, and the Giants STILL lost.

Certainly it's within the realm of possibility that will happen again, and you of course are welcome to believe that it will, but I prefer to play the odds and declare that it won't.

As for the Cowboys and Green Bay comparisons, you can stop. This team is leaps and bounds and leaps again better than either of those teams, and it is not homerism to say so. The Giants outscored their opponents by 22 points this year, that's not an opinion, it's a fact. The Giants are not close to the Pats in terms of talent. Again, fact not opinion. You can believe what you want, it's your right.

Let me ask you this, if you had to put your life on it, which outcome is more likely:

1) Patriots win
2) Giants win

Answer honestly.

A.C Vegas · Jan 28, 2008

Do you really think that the patriots that played in week 17 are the same ones that are going to play in the SB. No they are not they didn't do anything in that game it's almost totally base offense and base defense untill late in the game and now tell us how that all tured out. what happened when the Patriots started to care about that game

TripleOption · Jan 28, 2008

leek21 said:
I have provided evidence for both of the above, here it is again:

1) Moss was fairly well contained before Madison got injured. Moss had
5 receptions for 35 yards and a TD. After Madison went down Moss had that deep bomb for 65 yards. Madison will be back, that is a good thing for the Giants.

FYI...Moss ran right by the Safety on the play before Madison got hurt. The Pats saw this, ran a vertical again, and hit Moss deep.

If the Giants play Cover 2, Madison will be a Flat player (again) and the worry for you is Moss running right by your Deep Half defender (AGAIN.)

Flying Fungi · Jan 28, 2008

leek21 said:
Your 'great' defense gave up 35 points in the first game... I predicting 38 this time. Is that really a stretch ?

Yes, it is.

The defense gave up 28, and 7 was on a garbage time score.

G-Men are toast.

Satchboogie3 · Jan 28, 2008

The Giants beat the Cowboys and Packers recently, yes, but the Cowboys fell apart weeks ago when Romo became a celebrity QB and TO got hurt. The Packers were a good team, but their secondary was suspect and Favre is known for having his share of stinkers in the playoffs.

Don't get yourself fooled. The only reason you beat Greenbay was because Favre wasn't very good. Thats it. Greenbay can't win if Favre has a bad game.

The Patriots, however, can win games in many different ways. We can win even if Brady has a stinker.

You talk about how good your running game is. How about the Patriots running game? Maroney had 244 yards rushing, 5.2 yds/carry in the two playoff games. The Patriots had 294 yards rushing in the two games. We arguably have a better running game than the Giants. The only reason why we were playing drop back and pass for the second half of the season is because 1. Morris was injured, 2. Let Maroney rest so he would be 110% in the playoffs, 3. We could.

The Giants have rushed for 324 yards in their 3 playoff games. Thats 108 yds/g vs the Patriots 147 yds/g. You could argue that The Giants played to tough defenses, but so did the Patriots. The average yds/g surrendered by teams the Giants faced in the playoffs is 90 rush yds/g. The " " the Patriots faced in the playoffs is 99.

That means the Giants, in those games, averaged 18 more rushing yards/g than the defense's (they faced) gave up (average).
The Patriots, in their games, averaged 46 more rushing yards/g than the defense's (they faced) gave up (average).

When I enter an argument and make a point, I like to back it with fact. You should try it. It works much more effectively than just saying "I think he's better."

Oswlek · Jan 28, 2008

Satchboogie3 said:
Don't get yourself fooled. The only reason you beat Greenbay was because Favre wasn't very good. Thats it. Greenbay can't win if Favre has a bad game.

The entire Breen Bay TEAM had a bad game. I rewatched that game this past weekend and was amazed at how lousy they played. I'm sure that the weather was a factor, but NE would have beaten that team by 24+ if they played like that.

Every time their defense did anything positive, they would get a RTP penalty or a IC in the secondary. They were dreadful.

stcjones · Jan 28, 2008

BelichickFan said:
This is the only thing that worries me slightly, if the NYG can get consistent pressure with 4 rushers. However, the big three above have combined for 3 sacks in the last 6 games so forgive me if I'm not shaking about it.

well......Neal, Kaczur, and Kyle Brady DID NOT play in that first contest and Brady fared pretty darned well didn't he? We were missing the whole starting right side of the offensive line and still managed to win and overall protect TB.....I see us shutting their D down pretty well again in this game......

The only things that I am a bit worried about.......are

1) Pats secondary matchup on Plaxico Burress.......Hobbs was covering him alot in the first game and it was a HORRIBLE mismatch......I would gather that he would be doubled up every play in this game.....Toomer and the rest of the WR do not scare me as much as Burress obviously.....

2) Pats defense against the run.......Jacobs was NOT healthy in the first match......he IS now....He can be very effective in WEARING down the defense.....then throw in the other RB (name escapes me....know it begins with H).....and they could spell some trouble........

3) Gost kicking in the big game.......big wildcard here.....but luckily the gints kicker has been very shaky......missing two chip shots against the Pack

4) Getting enough pressure on Gomer.......If we get alot of PRESSURE on Gomer he will turn it over........that is a given.......let him sit back there all day.......they could hang with us for awhile......I don't see them being able to go toe to toe with our offense however.......

What do you all think?

Charlotte Pats Fan · Jan 28, 2008

Satchboogie3 said:
The Giants beat the Cowboys and Packers recently, yes, but the Cowboys fell apart weeks ago when Romo became a celebrity QB and TO got hurt. The Packers were a good team, but their secondary was suspect and Favre is known for having his share of stinkers in the playoffs.

Don't get yourself fooled. The only reason you beat Greenbay was because Favre wasn't very good. Thats it. Greenbay can't win if Favre has a bad game.

The Patriots, however, can win games in many different ways. We can win even if Brady has a stinker.

You talk about how good your running game is. How about the Patriots running game? Maroney had 244 yards rushing, 5.2 yds/carry in the two playoff games. The Patriots had 294 yards rushing in the two games. We arguably have a better running game than the Giants. The only reason why we were playing drop back and pass for the second half of the season is because 1. Morris was injured, 2. Let Maroney rest so he would be 110% in the playoffs, 3. We could.

The Giants have rushed for 324 yards in their 3 playoff games. Thats 108 yds/g vs the Patriots 147 yds/g. You could argue that The Giants played to tough defenses, but so did the Patriots. The average yds/g surrendered by teams the Giants faced in the playoffs is 90 rush yds/g. The " " the Patriots faced in the playoffs is 99.

That means the Giants, in those games, averaged 18 more rushing yards/g than the defense's (they faced) gave up (average).
The Patriots, in their games, averaged 46 more rushing yards/g than the defense's (they faced) gave up (average).

When I enter an argument and make a point, I like to back it with fact. You should try it. It works much more effectively than just saying "I think he's better."

:yeahthat:

Nordy · Jan 28, 2008

Burress had 4 catches in week 17 and I think only 2 of them were on Hobbs. If I recall correctly neither of Burress' TDs were Hobbs' fault. Hobbs gets more flack then he deserves. He's a good player who always gives it his all.

leek21 · Jan 28, 2008

Watson's IQ said:
Yes, it is a homer prediction. It's not an outlandish homer prediction, but it is one. You realize how vanilla the scheme you saw in Week 17 was, correct?

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Let me ask you this, if you had to put your life on it, which outcome is more likely:

1) Patriots win
2) Giants win

Answer honestly.

When you word it that way... then I would have to say the Patriots... but I would be very very nervous before/during the game... and I might be dead after.

karran_s · Jan 28, 2008

Giants Advantages :

Running backs - Jacobs / Bradshaw

Do you really think BB has not thought about how to stop them and plug all the gaps ... plz...

He will take away your running game and it will be up to Eli ... I have yet to see Eli throw more passes, especially under pressure. If you look at the number of throws from Eli, it is way, way, lower than what would be required to win against the Pats...

Your defense :

TB is going to rip your defense to shreds... Your corners will not be able to cover everyone, especially Moss - when he runs at an angle and breaks away, it is going to be very hard to stop him.

And Welker ? You must be dreaming if you think you can stop him. There are just too many weapons on offense and when you are trailing a couple of TDs, let's see Eli at work .... If he has to live up to the hype from the NYG fans, he has to first prove himself.

In the GB game, you guys were just plain lucky... Brett Favre threw an inside pass and allowed Webster to cut in front. If he had thrown a screen to Grant instead, it would be GB and not the Giants here.

And Tynes.. he's not going to get three tries in a clutch situation (if at all there is one).

leek21 · Jan 28, 2008

Nordy said:
Burress had 4 catches in week 17 and I think only 2 of them were on Hobbs. If I recall correctly neither of Burress' TDs were Hobbs' fault. Hobbs gets more flack then he deserves. He's a good player who always gives it his all.

Remember Burress had a bad ankle in that game and for most of the season... his ankle is now a little better although still not 100%. Hobbs could be in for a long day.

TripleOption · Jan 28, 2008

leek21 said:
Remember Burress had a bad ankle in that game and for most of the season... his ankle is now a little better although still not 100%. Hobbs could be in for a long day.

Not with Eli on his back.

The original gameplan was to let Eli have time and cover. That resulted in Eli having some pretty good numbers and success. Once the Pats changed up and brought pressure, Eli was terrible.

It was blatantly obvious that the Pats were playing very close to the vest on offense and defense. They only turned it on when they had to; watch the drive when the Pats started their drive to take the lead. It's almost ridiculously easy as Brady moves them down the field.

Satchboogie3 · Jan 28, 2008

leek21 said:
When you word it that way... then I would have to say the Patriots... but I would be very very nervous before/during the game... and I might be dead after.

I think that says it all. The Patriots will win the game. You know it's true, you just don't want to admit it. You're not a bad fan if you think you will lose. The Giants are a 14 point underdog for a reason.

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