Are the Patriots the Cowboys of the Mid 90s?

MightyFooda said:

Only problem is that you are ignoring that Aikman started as a rookie, while Rivers road the pine for 2 years watching his better play. also, Jimmy Johnson was losing all those game on purpose to get the number one pick and was benching his best players (all those great guys he got for Walker) because if none of them started there was a stipulation in the trade that sent Dallas ALL of the Vikings draft picks that following draft!
So numbers do lie, and you obviously don't know crap about the Cowboys or are ignoring it.

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Ok then, let's compare their 3rd seasons, since Aikman already was in the league for two years prior his third season should have been just as good if not better than Rivers 3rd season since Rivers didn't get any game experience before then:

Their third season in the NFL:

Troy Aikman:

passing yards: 2754
passing tds: 11
interceptions: 10
completion percentage: 65.3%
rating: 86.7

Philip Rivers:

passing yards: 3388
passing tds: 22
interceptions: 9
completion percentage: 61.7%
rating: 92.0


So, as you can see, Rivers was better in every category except for completion percentage. The Cowboys were a run first team and Aikman was just a game manager.

MightyFooda said:

Also "at this point in there careers" aikman would have been in his 4th year and have a ring and
Phillip Rivers would have had that Craptacular season we all just witnessed, but I will give him respect for how he played in the end of the year.
So again, at same point in career, 1 ring to none.

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Peyton Manning didn't win a ring until his 9th year in the NFL, does that mean that Troy Aikman was a better quarterback than Peyton Manning is? Brett Favre didn't win a ring until his 6th season in the NFL, and Elway didn't win a ring until his 14th season in the NFL. Marino never won a ring and he broke practically all of the passing records. The Cowboys won 3 rings because they were the most talented team of their era, not because of 1 guy.

Also, Rivers had good stats this year and while adjusting to a new coaching staff and having to play a tougher schedule than the previous season. Philip Rivers has the same win percentage as Tom Brady, which is almost 80%. Philip Rivers led his team to a 14-2 season in his first year as a starter and the AFC championship in his second year as a starter. Keep in mind that Aikman never had to face as tough a conference as Rivers has to face with the Colts and Patriots being as dominant as they are.

PatsFanInVa said:

I've posted on this before, but:

Of course we're that team "we all hated." Join the club.

Whatever vices are floating around in the NFL, the best team does some of it. Whatever the best team does, gets magnified. If you're the reigning dynasty, whatever your team does gets magnified by orders of magnitude. Just take any clown's opinion and throw -gate after it. That's life, once you hit a certain altitude. Just like Dallas: they built 'em up, and loved to watch 'em fall. The difference is, the Pats just don't buy any of it.

All you Chargers fans that are still around, take note, just in case you can make use of this observation in the future (I doubt it.)

By the way, being "just like the Cowboys only with no super bowls?" Have you any idea how comical that is?

The sine qua non of the dynasty discussions is super bowls. You don't get to play.

Kind of reminds me of "act like you've been there before." The Chargers seem to actually believe they have "arrived." Uh, guys, win something, then try it.

PFnV

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The Cowboys of the 90s did not have to deal with such a tough conference. The Chargers have to compete with the Patriots, Colts, and Steelers for the superbowl every year.

lightningbolt said:

The Cowboys of the 90s did not have to deal with such a tough conference. The Chargers have to compete with the Patriots, Colts, and Steelers for the superbowl every year.

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ummmmm Cowboys had to deal with
1. Packers
2. SF
3. Redskins
4. Decent Eagles teams under Randall Cunningham

Get a clue

PatsFan24 said:

With all the fans, players, and coaches who have talked bad about the Patriots over the last couple years, and with the off the field problems this year, does it seem that we are now rooting for a team simular to the one we all hated 12 years ago? Substance abuse suspentions, woman abuse allegations, and a dynasty football team.

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Please go troll somewhere else.
No. I have no idea what you are alleging here, but there's no substance to it.
The only thing the Pats have in common with the Cowpokes is that they are a Dynasty, but the Pats will be a better dynasty that brings in more championships.

Comparing us to the Cowboys in any way, shape or form makes me want to puke!!!!! Don't ever EVER do it again!

(yes, I hate that team more than any other)

DonBlackmon55 said:

ummmmm Cowboys had to deal with
1. Packers
2. SF
3. Redskins
4. Decent Eagles teams under Randall Cunningham

Get a clue

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Were any of those teams 3 time superbowl champions or gone 18-0? Also, were any of those teams quarterbacked by guys on the caliber of Brady and Manning? You also forget that the 49ers were on a decline during the 90s; they weren't as dominant as they were in the 80s.

lightningbolt said:

Were any of those teams 3 time superbowl champions or gone 18-0? Also, were any of those teams quarterbacked by guys on the caliber of Brady and Manning? You also forget that the 49ers were on a decline during the 90s; they weren't as dominant as they were in the 80s.

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49ers were declining in the 90's ? Oh yea, I forgot, how pathetic a record for a team to only win double digit games from 90-98.......win 1 SB, appeared in 5 NFC CG

90 14-2
91 10-6
92 14-2
93 10-6
94 13-3
95 11-5
96 12-4
97 13-3
98 12-4
99 4-12

Now you truly show how clueless you are. You win the most idiotic poster of the year award, and this is only in January

lightningbolt said:

Were any of those teams 3 time superbowl champions or gone 18-0? Also, were any of those teams quarterbacked by guys on the caliber of Brady and Manning? You also forget that the 49ers were on a decline during the 90s; they weren't as dominant as they were in the 80s.

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You're right, Steve Young and Brett Favre sucked. Further, the Niners didn't "decline" until the late 90's, they **** canned the rest of the league from 87-98 like no other team.

I like popsicles but when i eat them too fast i get a headache

PatsFan24 said:

With all the fans, players, and coaches who have talked bad about the Patriots over the last couple years, and with the off the field problems this year, does it seem that we are now rooting for a team simular to the one we all hated 12 years ago? Substance abuse suspentions, woman abuse allegations, and a dynasty football team.

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Michael, is this some sort of 12 step program? BTW, you sucked as an analyst on ESPN.

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lightningbolt said:

The Cowboys of the 90s did not have to deal with such a tough conference. The Chargers have to compete with the Patriots, Colts, and Steelers for the superbowl every year.

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Cowboys 49ers was an incredible rivalry. You don't know what you are talking about.

lightningbolt said:

Were any of those teams 3 time superbowl champions or gone 18-0? Also, were any of those teams quarterbacked by guys on the caliber of Brady and Manning? You also forget that the 49ers were on a decline during the 90s; they weren't as dominant as they were in the 80s.

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Are you stupid or just ******ed? The 49ers beat YOUR chargers by more than a little in the SuperBowl, and was part of a 5 ring Dynasty, oh and it was QBd by Steve Young, you may have heard of him as he had the highest career QB rating EVER!
Oh and Aikman had 3 rings.
Oh and their was this guy named Bret Favre who was starting to compete in the playoffs. Randall Cunningham threw 30tds and ran for 942 yards in the SAME SEASON in 1990! And I guess you don't watch NFL films, as the Niners Cowboys playoff rivalry in the nineties were some of the hardest fought games ever! You sir, are a tool.
Too say you know NOTHING ABOUT FOOTBALL would be comparable to saying a maggot knows nothing about quantum physics.

PatsFan24 said:

With all the fans, players, and coaches who have talked bad about the Patriots over the last couple years, and with the off the field problems this year, does it seem that we are now rooting for a team simular to the one we all hated 12 years ago? Substance abuse suspentions, woman abuse allegations, and a dynasty football team.

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You're kidding right!?!?! :bricks:

ALL the off field problems???? Let's get facts straight! Two incidents (one is still only an acusation) over an entire season do not a problem team make. How many arrests? Zero. How many DUI's? Zero. How many Patriots were selling Pot out of their vans? Zero.
Too many opposing fans try to latch on to something/anything to justify thier jealousy of the Greatest Team Ever (GTE).

As far as the Cowboys, they did it with the BIG three. The Patriots have been doing it with all 52 men. Two totally different head coaching styles. No comparison between the two.

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