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Hey, let's break out some 2006 talk. How was Brady's body language today?
 
Manning played a better game last week than Brady did this week.
Peyton Manning did not have to brave the elements. I guess you did not watch the game because it was cold and windy in Foxboro, MA. Besides, Peyton Manning had all the advantages:

Atmospheric controlled environment
Piped in crowd noise
The referees in the Colts' (or NaPolian's) hip pocket
 
Well, proof that, though some Pats fans may be intelligent, they also have some of the dumbest in the league.
You are one of dumbest trolls on this message board. Your season is over and go cry yourself to sleep on the hick IndyStar message board.
 
Ah, how charming and how predictable....PF1996 crawls out from under his rock like the insect he is to bash Tom Brady.

Seriously, if there is a bigger jackass on this MB claiming to be a Pats fan, I haven't seen him.
 
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Hey just wanted to make my first post and say that this board is very intellectual and give props to those who talk about football and the pats.
 
Brady had an OK game actually. The int in the end zone was horrible, but the other two were not horrible.

They scored a total of 6 pts off of his picks. He engineered 21 pts to win the game. Last I check that is the objective of football...to score more points than the opposing team and guess what??? Tom Brady did that today.
 
Ah, how charming and how predictable....PF1996 crawls out from under his rock like the insect he is to bash Tom Brady.

Seriously, if there is a bigger jackass on this MB claiming to be a Pats fan, I haven't seen him.

I introduced PF1996 to my ignore list a few weeks ago. It's made my time on this board a bit brighter. :)

Seriously, though, in my book, Brady's not on the hook for the INT off the tip by Stallworth. [IMO, once a receiver tips the ball, it's not on the QB--and I hold this rule for all QBs, not just Brady.]
 
in a related development, Peyton Manning ran his consecutive annoying commercial streak to 8,565...so Indy fan has THAT to crow about anyway
 
My reaction to the game was that Tom Brady was pressured early on by the SD defense (who played really well) and couldn't settle into his usual rhythm..

Except for the interception to Cromartie in the endzone (that should have been a sure TD), one of them was off the WR and the other one, I saw Brady getting jostled, with his helmet clashing against the defenders who were really fast as they rushed towards him...

Well, in the end, TB found a way to win, as usual and none of us in our group had the slightest doubt about his ability to lead the team and post the W at the end... I called it several times early on in the game (although I was shoulted at by some friends for trying to 'jinx' the Pats.. I don't believe in 'jinxes')

What I believe is that this team is a team of destiny and the 2007 Pats will fulfill it by beating the NYG (again !!) .. I saw the historic game at Giants stadium when they went 16-0.. Even there, I did not doubt that they would win when they were down by 12 points.
 
Yeah, He did seem a little sluggish. I am guessing he either had some kinda bug, or maybe he was up all night changing poopy diapers? Either way, we won, he is the man, and the GIANTS better tune up.........QUICK! GO PATS!
 
Manning is the biggest choke artist in the NFL, as evident by last weekend's performance.


Manning's stats against SD defense:
33/48; 402 yards ; 68.8% ; 8.38 ypp ; 3TD/2INT ; 97.7 QB rating ; 24 pts

Brady's stats against the same, albeit MORE TIRED, SD defense:
22/33; 209 yards ; 66.7% ; 6.33 ypp ; 2TD/3INT ; 66.4 QB rating ; 21 pts

Well, if Manning's performance against SD last weekend is "evident" of being "the biggest choke artist in the NFL", then I guess Brady is the biggest choke artist in sports. :rolleyes:

Manning outperformed Brady despite the fact that Manning receivers DROPPED multiple balls and were responsible for at least one of his interceptions while Brady's receivers bailed him out on at least half of his completions and were NOT responsible for ANY of his interceptions.

Manning drove his team up and down the field without a running game. Brady generated points only because he had great field position and Maroney ran like a first round pick.

The Patriots won this game on the strength of their defense. Give Manning this defense last week and he would have won. Give Brady the Indy defense today and the Pats would have lost.


i dont care if brady threw 5 picks against this defense. if we're down by 4 with 2 minutes left and we got 1st and goal inside the 10, theres no chance we're not regaining the lead with brady as our qb.

move along manning fanboys

Well, you can continue to live in fantasy land. However these are the facts:

Brady, with a chance to take the lead in Denver - throws a pick to Champ Bailey

Brady, after stinking up the joint in SD and being bailed out by the defense, throws a pick as the Pats are moving into position for a score. Gets bailed out by Troy Brown

Brady with two chances late in the game in Indy's redzone, unable to score touchdowns, Pats settle for FGs

Brady, needing 4 yards to get a first down (not a score, just a first down) and seal the AFC championship, throws a near pick, incomplete pass

Brady, with one full minute and a time out, needing a touchdown to win - throws a pick to end the game

Brady, in redzone, where any score will seal the game against Carolina, throws a pick

Brady, against Indy, a score to seal the game, throws a pick

Brady, in red zone against Eagles, with Pats in position to score, fumbles the ball - Eagles recover.

All these are examples of Brady choking during the playoffs but because he's bailed out by his defense, people claim he's a "big game QB". Brady is no more a "big game QB" than Manning; if anything he's worse because he's not as good a QB as Manning and isn't able to beat really good defenses.


As much as I like Brady, the Chargers seem to have his number. He threw three picks against them last year too including the one that saved the game when Brown stripped McCree. The O line and receivers make him look better than he is. It's a good thing Belicheck decided to run the ball in the second half to cover up whatever is wrong with him.

Brady is only good against soft coverage zones particularly when he has a clean/predictable pocket. He doesn't react well to pressure and doesn't lead his receivers well when the defense plays man coverage. He also isn't at all accurate throwing on the run or when he isn't set. Manning is much better at all of these things than is Brady, which is why Manning generally performs better against man coverage and when facing pressure.

Well, proof that, though some Pats fans may be intelligent, they also have some of the dumbest in the league.

The point really is that if Peyton's D had held SD to field goals instead of TD's, or if Brady's D had given up TD's instead of holding to FG's, Brady would have had a much worse choke today than Manning.

:ditto:

Don't expect the homers on this board to acknowledge this reality.

Yeah, sure guy. Brady has one bad game (his "choke game" against the Colts last year was hardly his fault, considering the offense put up over 30 points and the defense blew it) and all of a sudden he's terrible. Manning, as great as I think he is, has been significantly worse in the playoffs than Brady his entire career. As proven by this year. By the by, Brady was 22/33 today and threw for 2 TDs. We'll call him off (3 INTs versus Manning's 6 in the regular season), but many teams would consider that a masterful performance by their QB... spoiled us (by Brady) thinks it was horrendous.


Offense scored 27 points, with 13 coming in the second half even though at least TWO of those scoring drives began deep in Colts territory. Manning has not been "significantly worse" in the playoffs compared to Brady. In Brady's 16 playoff games, he has had a QB rating below 80 in 44% of those games. Manning has had a QB rating below 80 in 46% of his playoff games. Only a 2% difference despite the fact that the Colts defense has been average-bad throughout this time, placing additional pressure on the offense while Brady's D has alleviated the pressure on him to score points. Brady has had to bail out the Pats D only twice, in the SB with Carolina and last year. He succeeded once and failed once. Manning has had to bail out his D far more often and has been far more successful (with last year being the only exception). I don't think any team would consider three dumb, drive killing interceptions by their QB a "masterful performance".






Little Peytie plays in a heat controlled dome...Brady played in conditions that led to the high powered San Diego Chargers to score 4 FIELD GOALS...Ootball the moron wants to make a direct comparison between two totally different game conditions...uh...Pootball...remember when Peytie Crybaby played in these conditions in an AFC championship game??? In fact, slightly BETTER conditions than today???

that's right, Ootidiot....21 to THREE...three points, Sootball

Weis stated that only winds above 20 "like 40" would be a problem for an offense. Brady has played in the cold before. The weather certainly didn't prevent an injured Rivers from completing long passes at will to his receivers. Nor did the weather have anything to do with any of the interceptions in this game. Can't say I'm surprised by all the excuse making by the homers :rolleyes:
 
Manning's stats against SD defense:
33/48; 402 yards ; 68.8% ; 8.38 ypp ; 3TD/2INT ; 97.7 QB rating ; 24 pts

Brady's stats against the same, albeit MORE TIRED, SD defense:
22/33; 209 yards ; 66.7% ; 6.33 ypp ; 2TD/3INT ; 66.4 QB rating ; 21 pts

Well, if Manning's performance against SD last weekend is "evident" of being "the biggest choke artist in the NFL", then I guess Brady is the biggest choke artist in sports. :rolleyes:

Manning outperformed Brady despite the fact that Manning receivers DROPPED multiple balls and were responsible for at least one of his interceptions while Brady's receivers bailed him out on at least half of his completions and were NOT responsible for ANY of his interceptions.

Manning drove his team up and down the field without a running game. Brady generated points only because he had great field position and Maroney ran like a first round pick.

The Patriots won this game on the strength of their defense. Give Manning this defense last week and he would have won. Give Brady the Indy defense today and the Pats would have lost.




Well, you can continue to live in fantasy land. However these are the facts:

Brady, with a chance to take the lead in Denver - throws a pick to Champ Bailey

Brady, after stinking up the joint in SD and being bailed out by the defense, throws a pick as the Pats are moving into position for a score. Gets bailed out by Troy Brown

Brady with two chances late in the game in Indy's redzone, unable to score touchdowns, Pats settle for FGs

Brady, needing 4 yards to get a first down (not a score, just a first down) and seal the AFC championship, throws a near pick, incomplete pass

Brady, with one full minute and a time out, needing a touchdown to win - throws a pick to end the game

Brady, in redzone, where any score will seal the game against Carolina, throws a pick

Brady, against Indy, a score to seal the game, throws a pick

Brady, in red zone against Eagles, with Pats in position to score, fumbles the ball - Eagles recover.

All these are examples of Brady choking during the playoffs but because he's bailed out by his defense, people claim he's a "big game QB". Brady is no more a "big game QB" than Manning; if anything he's worse because he's not as good a QB as Manning and isn't able to beat really good defenses.




Brady is only good against soft coverage zones particularly when he has a clean/predictable pocket. He doesn't react well to pressure and doesn't lead his receivers well when the defense plays man coverage. He also isn't at all accurate throwing on the run or when he isn't set. Manning is much better at all of these things than is Brady, which is why Manning generally performs better against man coverage and when facing pressure.



:ditto:

Don't expect the homers on this board to acknowledge this reality.




Offense scored 27 points, with 13 coming in the second half even though at least TWO of those scoring drives began deep in Colts territory. Manning has not been "significantly worse" in the playoffs compared to Brady. In Brady's 16 playoff games, he has had a QB rating below 80 in 44% of those games. Manning has had a QB rating below 80 in 46% of his playoff games. Only a 2% difference despite the fact that the Colts defense has been average-bad throughout this time, placing additional pressure on the offense while Brady's D has alleviated the pressure on him to score points. Brady has had to bail out the Pats D only twice, in the SB with Carolina and last year. He succeeded once and failed once. Manning has had to bail out his D far more often and has been far more successful (with last year being the only exception). I don't think any team would consider three dumb, drive killing interceptions by their QB a "masterful performance".








Weis stated that only winds above 20 "like 40" would be a problem for an offense. Brady has played in the cold before. The weather certainly didn't prevent an injured Rivers from completing long passes at will to his receivers. Nor did the weather have anything to do with any of the interceptions in this game. Can't say I'm surprised by all the excuse making by the homers :rolleyes:

You're not a Pats fan. Why pretend.
Manning has come up small in big games repeatedly the last 9 years. Brady has not. Your binky is at home watching the final game on his couch...AGAIN. Maybe your "discussion" would be better suited for IndyStar.
Brady MVP
Brady Most TD passes in season
Deal with it.
 
yeah, Rivers really lit it up, troll...SD scored 12 points!!! Way to really show Brady!!! Yeah! Brady's gone to 4 Bowls in 7 years...MAJOR CHOKE ARTIST!!! Good thing the team carried him!!!

Now tell the attendant you need your Haldol, stat...
 
yeah, Rivers really lit it up, troll...SD scored 12 points!!! Way to really show Brady!!! Yeah! Brady's gone to 4 Bowls in 7 years...MAJOR CHOKE ARTIST!!! Good thing the team carried him!!!

Now tell the attendant you need your Haldol, stat...

Don't confuse PF1996 as a Charger Troll.

He is a true blue Indy fan, with all the lame excuses as to why Manning is better to back him up.
Seriously PF, go back to Indystar. They need their twit back.
 
yeah, I know, J man....I only wish Bart Muleyy would come over here and give us the REAL "Peytie is the greatest!" pep talk...the Dolts are a broken spirited team
 
Manning's stats against SD defense:
33/48; 402 yards ; 68.8% ; 8.38 ypp ; 3TD/2INT ; 97.7 QB rating ; 24 pts

Brady's stats against the same, albeit MORE TIRED, SD defense:
22/33; 209 yards ; 66.7% ; 6.33 ypp ; 2TD/3INT ; 66.4 QB rating ; 21 pts

Well, if Manning's performance against SD last weekend is "evident" of being "the biggest choke artist in the NFL", then I guess Brady is the biggest choke artist in sports. :rolleyes:

Manning outperformed Brady despite the fact that Manning receivers DROPPED multiple balls and were responsible for at least one of his interceptions while Brady's receivers bailed him out on at least half of his completions and were NOT responsible for ANY of his interceptions.

Manning drove his team up and down the field without a running game. Brady generated points only because he had great field position and Maroney ran like a first round pick.

The Patriots won this game on the strength of their defense. Give Manning this defense last week and he would have won. Give Brady the Indy defense today and the Pats would have lost.




Well, you can continue to live in fantasy land. However these are the facts:

Brady, with a chance to take the lead in Denver - throws a pick to Champ Bailey

Brady, after stinking up the joint in SD and being bailed out by the defense, throws a pick as the Pats are moving into position for a score. Gets bailed out by Troy Brown

Brady with two chances late in the game in Indy's redzone, unable to score touchdowns, Pats settle for FGs

Brady, needing 4 yards to get a first down (not a score, just a first down) and seal the AFC championship, throws a near pick, incomplete pass

Brady, with one full minute and a time out, needing a touchdown to win - throws a pick to end the game

Brady, in redzone, where any score will seal the game against Carolina, throws a pick

Brady, against Indy, a score to seal the game, throws a pick

Brady, in red zone against Eagles, with Pats in position to score, fumbles the ball - Eagles recover.

All these are examples of Brady choking during the playoffs but because he's bailed out by his defense, people claim he's a "big game QB". Brady is no more a "big game QB" than Manning; if anything he's worse because he's not as good a QB as Manning and isn't able to beat really good defenses.




Brady is only good against soft coverage zones particularly when he has a clean/predictable pocket. He doesn't react well to pressure and doesn't lead his receivers well when the defense plays man coverage. He also isn't at all accurate throwing on the run or when he isn't set. Manning is much better at all of these things than is Brady, which is why Manning generally performs better against man coverage and when facing pressure.



:ditto:

Don't expect the homers on this board to acknowledge this reality.




Offense scored 27 points, with 13 coming in the second half even though at least TWO of those scoring drives began deep in Colts territory. Manning has not been "significantly worse" in the playoffs compared to Brady. In Brady's 16 playoff games, he has had a QB rating below 80 in 44% of those games. Manning has had a QB rating below 80 in 46% of his playoff games. Only a 2% difference despite the fact that the Colts defense has been average-bad throughout this time, placing additional pressure on the offense while Brady's D has alleviated the pressure on him to score points. Brady has had to bail out the Pats D only twice, in the SB with Carolina and last year. He succeeded once and failed once. Manning has had to bail out his D far more often and has been far more successful (with last year being the only exception). I don't think any team would consider three dumb, drive killing interceptions by their QB a "masterful performance".








Weis stated that only winds above 20 "like 40" would be a problem for an offense. Brady has played in the cold before. The weather certainly didn't prevent an injured Rivers from completing long passes at will to his receivers. Nor did the weather have anything to do with any of the interceptions in this game. Can't say I'm surprised by all the excuse making by the homers :rolleyes:

You are such a complete joke. You wait for one example of Manning having better stats than Brady and then gloat about it. Too bad stats don't determine champions. Please go back under the rock you crawled out from.
 
take the manning and the indy **** out of here, they are done until the fall. the other manning is the only one to talk about over the next two weeks.
 
Manning has not been "significantly worse" in the playoffs compared to Brady. In Brady's 16 playoff games, he has had a QB rating below 80 in 44% of those games. Manning has had a QB rating below 80 in 46% of his playoff games. Only a 2% difference despite the fact that the Colts defense has been average-bad throughout this time, placing additional pressure on the offense while Brady's D has alleviated the pressure on him to score points.

Ha, your pathetic post made me laugh.

You forgot to mention before this year all of Brady's games were with sub-par offensive players, especially receivers! Yeah let's conveniently ignore that Manning has played almost every playoff game with Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Edge/Addai, and STILL has worse QB stats than Brady!

Keep using the 'pressure because of better defense' excuse all you want, you're basically saying Peyton Manning can't handle pressure!

The stats tell the real truth, Brady's playoff stats all time are almost a 2:1 TD to INT ratio, while Manning becomes an average QB in the playoffs.
 
was it the fault of the indy D when the colts got shut out by the jets in the playoffs? or how about when manning had 49 regular season tds in 2004 and couldnt get his team more than 3 points in a playoff game at new england. or maybe the 3 times ty law picked off manning in jan 2004, that must have been the fault of the indy D. In the playoff games the colts lose, look at the amount of points they have put up in those games, then compare them to what the average was in the regular season. brady is better than manning, it is not even close.
 
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