Hobbs = Jesus?

To all the Hobbs haters:

Let the Pats release him and I will guarantee he would wind up with a great
contract, a tier below the top corners in the league but still a great contract.
And... there would be plenty of suitors.

emoney_33 said:

And Reggie Wayne isn't the best receiver on the Colts


So watching the games does what to disprove the stats listed above? By watching the games you saw Hobbs get thrown at less often, more often than those numbers? He let up more TD's than those numbers? He let up a higher completion % than those numbers?


Since you like to rely on "WATCHING" games to judge Hobbs, answer this. What are you comparing him to when you call him mediocre? Are you comparing him to only Samuel or have you watched every game of every team to be able to compare him with the rest of the DB's in the NFL with your EYES and WATCHING?


My guess is you simply watch the patriots and have a fantasy idea of other teams as if no other DB allows a single pass completion or TD. Since stats tell us NOTHING, give me some factual evidence of what you compare Hobbs to to decide he is mediocre.


I'll bet you ignore this post or rip one word/line out of it

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Some of you just can't bring yourself to say nary a critical word about the Pats. It's funny AND silly.

I've watched plenty of other games besides the Pats. Hobbs is a mediocre DB. What do you all think he is? A shut-down corner? How many of THOSE are there in the league - especially will this current-day, o-oriented NFL?

Just watch the game on Sunday and be objective 'bout this.

btw - T.J. Housma-whatever was better than Johnson this year - though certainly not as colorfol. But gee, don't let the hype get in the way of what's real or anything...

oldskool138 said:

He said so himself.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1065227

I know you have to have a big ego to play professional sports but that's a little much.

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That's funny, he doesn't look Jewish.

Hobbs is a second tier CB in the league. Stats bear it out. I can understand why he has haters though.

It's a facile solution to watch a big play, see Hobbs get beat, and call him garbage. You can't really fault people for that.

But as someone else cogently pointed out, cut Hobbs and he'll end up getting paid like a top 20 CB.

So was Jesus supposed to have over the top coverage on Burress or what?

Garbanza said:

Some of you just can't bring yourself to say nary a critical word about the Pats. It's funny AND silly.

I've watched plenty of other games besides the Pats. Hobbs is a mediocre DB. What do you all think he is? A shut-down corner? How many of THOSE are there in the league - especially will this current-day, o-oriented NFL?

Just watch the game on Sunday and be objective 'bout this.

btw - T.J. Housma-whatever was better than Johnson this year - though certainly not as colorfol. But gee, don't let the hype get in the way of what's real or anything...

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AGAIN.......

I watched the games. Hobbs and Samuel tend to play far off the receivers. This allows for a lot of short pass completions if the opposition wants to make those throws. It also, however, prevents the big play. Hobbs allowed only 4 tds against him all season, 2 better than Asante, despite being thrown at 12 times more. Feel free to do the numbers, though:

.547 * 106 = 58 catches
.532 * 94 = 50 catches
.532 * 106 = 56 catches

So, over the course of the season, had the number of times thrown at been even, Samuel would have allowed just 2 fewer catches and (with the rounding of 2.77) 3 more TDs.

You see, the stats agree with what my eyes told me: Asante is the bigger risk taker, which increases both the reward for QB success and the failure for QB inaccuracy. For that matter, the stats seem to agree with the comments I've heard from Belichick and Pees.

Garbanza said:

Some of you just can't bring yourself to say nary a critical word about the Pats. It's funny AND silly.

I've watched plenty of other games besides the Pats. Hobbs is a mediocre DB. What do you all think he is? A shut-down corner? How many of THOSE are there in the league - especially will this current-day, o-oriented NFL?

Just watch the game on Sunday and be objective 'bout this.

btw - T.J. Housma-whatever was better than Johnson this year - though certainly not as colorfol. But gee, don't let the hype get in the way of what's real or anything...

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Since you watch "plenty of other games". List a bunch of DB's better than Hobbs, why you feel that way and how many games you have watched each DB play in. Don't just come babbling nonsense and refuse to back it up. Anyone can SAY "I've watched a ton of games, my eyes say X is better than Y!". What do all these other DB's do better than Hobbs that makes them better (even though they allow a higher completion % and more TD's)?

going into the Bengals game, who did you really think was their best receiver and biggest threat?

Welker has more receptions than Moss this year, he must be the better receiver


BTW, no one ever said Hobbs was a "shut-down" corner. What the heck is a shut-down corner in today's NFL? No DB can shut down a great receiver by himself.

Reading comprehension really took one on the chin today, glad to see people started correcting this early in the thread.

Equivalent: "If even Jesus had critics, how can I expect not to?"

According to Stats Inc., Hobbs was thrown at 106 times this season, ranking 13th in the NFL. Samuel was thrown at 94 times. Also, the receivers Hobbs covered scored four touchdowns. Samuel? Six TDs. There were 44 defensive backs in the league who gave up more touchdowns than Hobbs.

Moreover, of the 106 passes thrown Hobbs’ way, defenders caught 58, making quarterbacks successful 54.7 percent of the time. Samuel’s way? A success rate of 53.2 percent.

Very intresting.

oldskool138 said:

I'm not bashing the guy...I'm just saying that comparing yourself to Jesus is a little much.

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Read the article. He didn't compare himself to Jesus. Hobbs said, Why would I get mad? Jesus was persecuted and He didn't get mad, or words to that effect.

News flash: A lot of people on this planet use Jesus's actions as a guide for their own, trying to do what He did, even wearing WWJD bracelets to remind them to do what He would do in similar situations.

Find something else to be negative about.

Garbanza said:

Really now, saying that a Pats DB is mediocre means I'm a bad fan

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Certainly not.

There have been many bad Pats DBs.

Calling a bad DB a bad DB is just an observation, and does not make you a bad fan.

Neither does calling Hobbs a bad DB and saying he is the weak link on the team make you a bad fan. It kind of paints you as clueless as to what a DBs job is, but no, not a bad fan. Just a dumb one.

Feel better?

Seriously, there is a segment of the New ENgland fan base that feels if a player does not dominate players of all opponents all the time, then he is no good, and this is just silly negativity.

It isn't homerism to say that a team that beat every opponent it faced in a seaon is a top-notch team, and better than any other team in the league. It is a fact.

There of course will be other players on other teams with better stats, but that does not mean that putting them on the Pats' squad will make the Pats better. It is about team, and a team that does not suffer a loss has the right mix.

Fantasy football and Madden have ruined peoples' ability to analyze football.

The fact that Hobbs is considered the worst defensive starter (by many ppl) I think tells volumes about how good the D is.

oldskool138 said:

He said so himself.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1065227

I know you have to have a big ego to play professional sports but that's a little much.

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Quite frankly, you took his words out of context...

"Worst corner in the league! Act like you've won a game before!"

oldskool138 said:

He said so himself.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1065227

I know you have to have a big ego to play professional sports but that's a little much.

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Well, I hope Hobbs didn't mean this. jesus can't cover for crap. wearing sandals? Not a chance

Wax Frog said:

I didn't read it that way. To me it was a poke at hypercritical people. He's saying that even the only perfect person ever to walk the Earth (depending on one's beliefs) couldn't catch a break.

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thats how i saw it too...

Hobbs is pretty smart to make an analogy like that...

Garbanza said:

I have stated a opinion I beleive in. Hobbs is the weak-link. Sorry.

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I take it this was written in the spirit of castigating Hobbs. Labeling him the "weak-link" on a 16-0 team whose passing defense is ranked sixth in the league and whose overall as well as scoring defenses are both ranked 4th in the league really isn't that offensive or critical. I'll take such a "weak-link" on my team any day. The "weak-link" can play.

ive always been a hobbs fan
at times over the last few yrs ive actually felt as though he were playing at a slightly higher level than asante
for the most part that's not true, but from game to game hobbs has been in more of a groove so to say
cornerback is a very hard position for us to nitpick when watching the coverage we have, you really need coaches film to see the breakdown of how well they played, but overall ive always been behind him
for some reason, a lot in here love to pick on him

PatsSteve1 said:

Well, I hope Hobbs didn't mean this. jesus can't cover for crap. wearing sandals? Not a chance

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lol...

But if he was rumored to have walked on water, then he might be on to something.

Yeah dude, Hobbs is far better at playing defensive back than Jesus ever was.