Note to the Maroney Bashers/Addai Lovers

Absurdly Metro · Dec 24, 2007

VJCPatriot said:
Seriously, unless you drink ALL the Koolaid on this forum, people see you as a hater. I am merely being a realist.

This is classic pessimism VJC! A Pessimist never perceives their own negativity. The fallback position is always the claim they're just being realists. They really can't understand why others can't be more "objective" in light of what they perceive to be "clear" evidence in support of their position.

My question to you is, who determines what reality is? Can you and I truly both perceive "reality" regarding LoMo and still end up with opposite conclusions?

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crew1954 · Dec 24, 2007

lapatsfan said:
I like Maroney, but don't get too excited about yesterday's stats. Most of us on this message board could have scored on that long TD run with a gaping hole at the LOS and zero defenders downfield.

Not me. I would have had to slow down or my beer would have spilled all over me.

PatsFanInVa · Dec 24, 2007

crew1954 said:
Not me. I would have had to slow down or my beer would have spilled all over me.

Yeah actually I saw this replayed on Sportscenter a bunch of times.

Someone with better knowledge work with me here:

Watch the clip. It is conspicuous that they're basicly playing some sort of goal line D, although I saw a "DB" or two at least flow toward where Maroney had been.

Someone break this down: is this actually a matter of them playing goal line D for a short run, or (drumroll,) does Maroney actually have acceleration that made it LOOK that way?

Given the exaggeration of the negative we get here, I'm starting to wonder (now I have to see that clip again myself.) Hey here's a thought... what if this kind of gain, once or twice per game, becomes the rule rather than the exception?

Yeah, you're feelin' me (to coin a phrase.)

PFnV

AzPatsFan · Dec 24, 2007

The Colts are not very deep except at WR. So their front line players MUST play, more.

The Pats have as deep a team as I have ever seen. Whereas the Clots have Addai and... Addai and... Addai... and Um some Canadian league refugee. The Pats have Maroney, tough guy Morris, and the best 3rd down receiving back in the league in Faulk, along with a combo RB/FB in Evans.

The situations are not comparable. Addai is overused, and wearing out; he has been dinged and will not last long. The Pats distribute the job among several players each excelling in his specialty.

BradyManny · Dec 24, 2007

AndyJohnson said:
In the midst of all the Maroney basjhing threads, the bashers were all convinced that Addai was a far better back and already had proven himself.
Interestingly, once again we find that those who jump to conclusions usually turn out wrong.
For the season, the stats for these 2 now look very different than they did when the argument was Maroney just didn't have as many opportunities BY DESIGN.
YTD
Maroney 166 carries/789 yards/4.8 per rush/65.8 ypgame
Addai 257 carries/1045 yards/4.1 per rush/74.6 per game.
(As to the idea that Addai gets the ball more because the Patriots don't trust Maroney, its 18.4 to 13.8 carries. A WHOPPING 4 1/2 carries a game seems to obviously indicate the best pass offense in the NFL decides to pass more over a lack of trust between the 2 teams and their #1 RB)
Addai is gaining a grand total of 8.8 extra yards on those 4 1/2 carries as well.
For the year, Addai has carried 91 more times for 256 yards (an average of 2.8 per carry) I guess if we gave Maroney 4 1/2 more carries a game and he gained 9 yards on them, we'd feel better?

Since the Patriots/Colts game, these are the numbers for each:

Maroney 77/372/4.83/4 TDs
Addai 108/341/3.16/5 TDs

Please, all the bashers come back and explain how Addai is 'clearly better than Maroney' how 'it isn't close' and how 'its a joke to even consider Maroney in Addai's class'.

This should be fun.

Good stuff.

Watch the backtracking begin re: Maroney.

BradyManny · Dec 24, 2007

Also, by my count, for backs with > 150 carries, Maroney would be 7th in YPC.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=rush&sort=avg&league=nfl&season=2&year=2007

PatsFanInVa · Dec 24, 2007

Uh yeah. Just saw the long touchdown run, yet again.

Either the Dolphins were jogging, or they looked like they were.

I'm thinking we might actually be seeing another Maroney-level, though these runs happened against the Dolphins.

PFnV

primetime · Dec 24, 2007

strongside said:
And I see that Addai has forty catches for 300+ yards and Maroney has 4 for 116. Does that mean that Addai is a better reciever out of the backfield or is it that the Pats don't utilize Maroney in the passing game and if given the chance could put up the same numbers.

The answer is, who cares? The Patriots have the best receiving RB in the league, so it doesn't matter.

Neither Addai nor Maroney are workhorses. I'm fine with that. I don't think any team should use a 1st round pick on a RB. But I'm more than happy with Maroney. I own a #39 jersey, and the name ain't Cunningham.

Remix 6 · Dec 24, 2007

primetime said:
The answer is, who cares? The Patriots have the best receiving RB in the league, so it doesn't matter.

Neither Addai nor Maroney are workhorses. I'm fine with that. I don't think any team should use a 1st round pick on a RB. But I'm more than happy with Maroney. I own a #39 jersey, and the name ain't Cunningham.

dont bother with that man. he fails to realize that Kevin Faulk is our receiving guy not because Maroney but because hes an important part of the team and hes been doing that for years. If Addai came here..i think Faulk would still keep his role

sebman2112 · Dec 24, 2007

BradyManny2344 said:
Also, by my count, for backs with > 150 carries, Maroney would be 7th in YPC.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=rush&sort=avg&league=nfl&season=2&year=2007

Yes, that's correct.

1) Adrian Peterson = 227 carries, 5.7 ypc
2) Fred Taylor = 223 carries, 5.4 ypc
3) Brandon Jacobs = 186 carries, 5.1 ypc
4) Marion Barber = 198 carries, 5.0 ypc
5) Ryan Grant = 182 carries, 4.9 ypc
6) Brian Westbrook = 271 carries, 4.8 ypc
7) Laurence Maroney = 166 carries, 4.8 ypc

Also, in relation to Maroney, these other RB's from the 2006 draft class with over 150 carries have the fallowing YPC totals:

Mourice Jones-Drew = 167 carries, 4.6 ypc
Joseph Addai = 257 carries, 4.1 ypc
Reggie Bush = 157 carries, 3.7 ypc
Lendale White = 288 carries, 3.7 ypc

PATSYLICIOUS · Dec 24, 2007

maroney will be a baller in the playoffs if mcdaniels inputs a little more balance into the offense.

coming into the season i thought he would be liek our robert smith. hasnt gotten the touches until lately tho.

Don Kipines · Dec 24, 2007

The thing that amazes me about this board and all the Maroney haters is that no one notices that this kid never fumbles. Remember when we were winning Super Bowls with Antowain Smith, a running back whose greatest virtue was getting three yards and falling down with the ball still in his hands? Well, this kid Maroney is five times the runner Smith is. He does pretty much everything you want very well except pass block. He runs with power, he breaks tackles, he's a serious threat once he gets past the line. And he's rock solid when it comes to ball security.

The Patriots' problem is that they have smallish offensive linemen. They block very well in space but they have trouble against really big d-linemen, guys like Ngota. When they have to run and everyone knows they have to run, they sometimes can't. That's not on Maroney necessarily, but the situation doesn't play to his strengths. He's not the most instinctive runner in the world and he needs that extra second to find the hole. But if the hole is there, he hits it, and he gets every yard that's there. The problem is that this line gets pushed back a lot and sometimes he's got guys in the backfield as soon as he gets the ball. But when he's got a path to the line of scrimmage, he's really good. He can knock over safeties and outrun corners. He routinely gets yards after the first hit. What else do we want?

PatsFanInVa · Dec 24, 2007

Don Kipines said:
The thing that amazes me about this board and all the Maroney haters is that no one notices that this kid never fumbles.

Yah, DO NOT F*** UP is the first commandment for running backs... Maroney takes care of the ball. This ain't a given... ask any Packers fan about Ahman Green's pros and cons.

Grizzafted · Dec 24, 2007

As the sig would suggest, count me among the "concerned about Maroney's running techniques mid-season" crowd. I've been pleasantly surprised the past few weeks, I hope he keeps it up. He's looked like the back I was so excited about after the 4th preseason game this year.

Deus Irae · Dec 26, 2007

I thought this thread needed a bump because of something Kevin Faulk reportedly said:

Running back Kevin Faulk
On what standards he sets to be a successful running back…
Yards per carry, how you block. Little things.

http://www.patsfans.com/price/blog/?p=279

Note the very first thing he cites to..... yards per carry. Not touchdowns.

BradyManny · Dec 26, 2007

It's funny how a couple big runs and suddenly the view of Maroney is different (among some, plenty of patsfans posters have been behind him the whole time). I think Reiss put is best in his mailbag recently, he's been running the ball effectively and doing his job for quite some time. Two long runs, changes the stats, changes the perception. I'm glad he got those runs and I'm glad his numbers have gone up in the past two weeks, b/c he got a lot of unwarranted criticism this season. Now, he deserves to get some praise for being an efficient and increasingly reliable back.

sebman2112 · Dec 27, 2007

Just something extra related to Maroney's 59 yard TD run. According to a reporter on NFLN, that run was the longest by a Patriots RB in 9+ years.

FortressX · Dec 27, 2007

sebman2112 said:
Just something extra related to Maroney's 59 yard TD run. According to a reporter on NFLN, that run was the longest by a Patriots RB in 9+ years.

I think that was brought up on the telecast Sunday also.
The immortal Sedric Shaw was the last RB to longer,I think they said.

Rob0729 · Dec 27, 2007

strongside said:
That is the problem with stats, they don't always tell the whole story. I think this is a good example of trusting what you see. To this point there is no question that Addai is a more compleat back capable of carrying the ball 25 times a game for 16 weeks and the playoffs. Maroney has not proven that he can do this yet.

This being said, Maroney has the tools to be as explosive a back as there is in the league. He also is playing his best ball of the season and will be huge in the playoffs. I don't think that its Maroney bashing if you call Addai better at this point.

Can Addai carry the ball 25 times a game for 16 weeks and the playoffs? I have seen nothing this year that proves this. In fact, I see evidence that he isn't capable of carrying the full load all season long because since the Pats game, Addai has been a mediocre RB who cannot even average over 3.2 yards per carry.

Below is a link to his game log this season. Since the Pats game in early November, Addai has carried the ball over 4 YPC only twice and had over 70 yards once (for 72 yards against the lowly Chiefs). It looks pretty clear that Addai cannot handle carrying the load for over a 16 game season and he has run out of gas in November. Also, he has carried the ball over 15 times in a game only once in the last 5 games,

http://www.nfl.com/players/josephaddai/gamelogs?id=ADD152616

CUSoon · Dec 27, 2007

BradyManny2344 said:
It's funny how a couple big runs and suddenly the view of Maroney is different (among some, plenty of patsfans posters have been behind him the whole time). I think Reiss put is best in his mailbag recently, he's been running the ball effectively and doing his job for quite some time. Two long runs, changes the stats, changes the perception. I'm glad he got those runs and I'm glad his numbers have gone up in the past two weeks, b/c he got a lot of unwarranted criticism this season. Now, he deserves to get some praise for being an efficient and increasingly reliable back.

That must be what playing the Jets and Dolphins defenses can do for you. Maroney gets a few holes and is good in open space and can make a nice big play that makes Pats go ohhh and ahhhh.

Anyone who would take Maroney over Addai is an idiot, or a Pats fan. Maroney is Reggie Bush. Dances at the line and is afraid to pound the ball but when he gets open space against a crappy defense he can break off for one of those long runs that make people giddy.

Addai in case people did not remember had some big playoff success last season. Is that not what Pats fans are high on? Playoff success? The kid came up big when it mattered. And he also could have been Super Bowl MVP with his running and receptions.

Addai has been a workhorse this year. And he has played through injuries. A tough runner and a pro bowler now too. He can run, catch and block. Whatever you ask him to do. And he is not afraid to pound the ball for tough yards. Addai got back on track with his running Sunday. He has 15 TDs this season overall. Many of his problems were the 0-line being battered and bruised for the second half of the season as well.

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