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The New England Patriots are just 33 points away from breaking the single season scoring record of 556 points set by the 1998 Minnesota Vikings, but strangely enough, these teams were not very similar on offense.

But for all their differences, there is one common thread tying these two amazing offenses together -- Randy Moss.

After all, it was Moss who made Dennis Green change his offense in 1998. (Full disclosure: For those who don't know, Dennis Green is my dad.) The Vikings moved away from some of the 1 RB, 2 TE, 2 WR sets they used as their base offense. Why? Because during the '98 NFL draft, a young, talented receiver with top-five talent from Marshall named Randy Moss fell down the draft board and landed in Green's and the Vikings' lap at No. 21. Minnesota already had Cris Carter, who had gone to five-straight Pro Bowls, and Jake Reed, but the Vikings quickly chose value over need. The day after Moss was drafted, they revamped their offense and became a team whose base set would be 1 RB, 1 TE and 3 WRs.
"It was apparent from our first mini-camp practice he was going to be a superstar," Green said about Moss.


With the speedy Moss, who ran about a 4.2 40 in 1998 at age 21, in the mix it became apparent another change was needed. This one at quarterback. It was obvious in training camp that Randall Cunningham was going to be a better fit for the offense, even though Johnson was the starter at the time.

"He had that big time arm that could really stretch the field," Green said. "He had that athleticism to stay alive in the pocket and his ability to make plays on the move was a perfect fit for what we were trying to do offensively at the time."

That was stretch the field and force mismatches. Surprisingly, though, it wasn't the Pro Bowler Carter who keyed things and made Moss special.

"No, I would say the opposite," Green said.


It was the rookie Moss who opened things up for everyone else. Moss' presence on the outside allowed the Vikings to move Carter inside with their three-receiver package. That means on early downs against teams that did not go to their sub-packages, Carter would get to work on a LB or S. On passing downs, he often got to work against a team's No. 3 corner. Back then, Green would simply say "Pick your poison."

Teams that tried to play the Vikings in man coverage would often see Moss take them deep over the top. Teams that opted to play more Cover 2 got a huge dose of Carter catching balls in the open areas. As Green said, "They were the perfect compliment to one another."

So even back in 1998, it was Moss opening up the offense. Does that scenario sound familiar? Jump ahead to 2007 and it is still Moss who is opening up the field for everyone else. Moss frees up Donte' Stallworth, Jabar Gaffney, and Moss' new Cris Carter, slot receiver Wes Welker.

Simply put, he's still pretty much the same player he was back then. Asked what differences he saw from the '98 Moss to today's Moss, Green said, "Not much. He is not as fast as he was back then." Then he kind of chuckled and added "Instead of being a 4.2 guy; he is now a 4.4 guy. Randy can still get vertical and he can still take it away from and defensive back in the NFL with his ability to go up and get the ball at its highest point. "

So what if he runs a 4.4? He's still one of the faster receivers in the NFL. And he can still make a good offense great. But while Moss is the common thread between these two offenses, the differences are just as interesting.


When talking about the New England Patriots you have to start with the QB position. Green had some great offenses when he was with the Vikings, but there was rarely stability at quarterback. He won games with Brad Johnson, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham Daunte Culpepper and even Jeff George at the helm. As Green would say, "It was the system that made the offense go."

But it's different for the Patriots. This offense goes through Tom Brady.

"I have never seen a QB plays as well as Brady has played this season, and I have been around one of the greatest," said Green, who used to coach Joe Montana in San Francisco.

During that record-setting '98 season, the Vikings began the season with Johnson, but he was injured in Week 1 and in came Cunningham. It became apparent early on that Cunningham was going to be a better fit for what would become a new-look offense for the Vikings that year.


But there were other differences as well.

The first one Green was in the design of the offenses. The Patriots use a lot more empty sets and shotgun in their offense. When I asked him why Minnesota didn't use more empty sets, Green said just two words, "Robert Smith."

Smith was the final cog in that offensive machine. He really made it work.

"Even with as explosive as we were throwing the football, we had a 1,200-yard rusher in Robert Smith," Green said. That's the major difference between the two offenses. The Patriots rarely established much of a run game this season. Smith, on the other hand, was a major part of the Vikings' success. As Minnesota continued to put up big offensive numbers that season, teams started to play more Cover 2 in an attempt to take away the deep ball to Moss. When the Vikings saw Cover 2, they would often try to chase teams out of it with Smith. When Smith was running well, it would force teams to abandon the Cover 2 and bring a safety down into the box.

And unli ke what the Patriots are facing, the Vikings never saw the kind of blitz pressure New England has been facing in recent weeks.

"Teams were not as quick to blitz us because we had a mobile QB in Cunningham, a back in Robert Smith who could take a draw to the house, had an effective screen game and blitz pressure often meant Moss would be one on one on the outside," Green said.

Green said both offensive lines were very good. Minnesota had maybe a little bit more of a high-profile line with high picks in Todd Steussie and Korey Stringer, where the Patriots are a little more of a blue collar group. But "both play excellent together and that is the most important factor in offensive line play," Green said.


So after comparing both offenses, I had just one more question: Are the New England Patriots the best team you have ever witnessed?

" The 1984 and 1989 San Francisco 49ers were excellent football teams," he said.

"Yes excellent teams," I told him, "but you did not answer my question. "

He paused for one second and said, "Yes, they are the best team I have ever seen."


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Good read and interesting insight from Denny Green. Nothing that hasn't been talked about over here but good read nonetheless.
 
Makes you think... would Patriot history have changed if they had selected Randy Moss rather than Robert Edwards with the 18th pick that year? I was clamoring for it, but they took Edwards, who had a great rookie campaign then had one of the most freakish career-ending (well, more or less, he somehow came back and now is one of the better players in the CFL) injuries ever... but would Bledsoe-to-Moss (with Terry Glenn as well) have made a difference in those Carroll years?
 
"He is who we thought he is"
 
Makes you think... would Patriot history have changed if they had selected Randy Moss rather than Robert Edwards with the 18th pick that year? I was clamoring for it, but they took Edwards, who had a great rookie campaign then had one of the most freakish career-ending (well, more or less, he somehow came back and now is one of the better players in the CFL) injuries ever... but would Bledsoe-to-Moss (with Terry Glenn as well) have made a difference in those Carroll years?

Statistically speaking as an offense it would've made a huge difference and he would probably make those .500 Carroll/Bledsoe teams into superbowl contenders, much the same way he changed an average '97 Vikings team into SB contenders. Its hard to compare Randy Moss' impact as a rookie cause he was so explosive and was everybit the definition of a freak, but also because WRs usually take a couple of years to become great, there are growing pains at that position.

As for his maturity issues, there's really no way to tell how that would've played out. Moss is behavior, unlike TO, has been directly related to the environment around him so there's no way to tell.
 
Actually it's good that this Patriots team is drawing out the comparisons to the '98 Vikings. That year was full of such highs and the huge low at the end. I'm not sure the Minnesota fans have ever recovered from that. I know that I personally haven't. If the Vikings had gone on to win the Super Bowl, that team would be on everyone's short-list of "greatest" NFL teams of all-time. Instead, they were overshadowed and forgotten during the Rams years and the so-called "Greatest show on turf" and later relegated to being the answer to a minor sports trivia question. Yep I was glad when the underdog Pats beat the Rams in 2001.

In some twisted, fanboy logic, because Randy Moss is here in New England, I kinda feel like this is a 2nd chance for a part of our poor '98 team. The Pats running the table and winning the SB won't give us Vikings fans a championship, but somehow I think I'll feel a little better. Kinda strange, huh? Does this make any sense to any other Minnesota fan here? Xzibit?
 
Actually it's good that this Patriots team is drawing out the comparisons to the '98 Vikings. That year was full of such highs and the huge low at the end. I'm not sure the Minnesota fans have ever recovered from that. I know that I personally haven't. If the Vikings had gone on to win the Super Bowl, that team would be on everyone's short-list of "greatest" NFL teams of all-time. Instead, they were overshadowed and forgotten during the Rams years and the so-called "Greatest show on turf" and later relegated to being the answer to a minor sports trivia question. Yep I was glad when the underdog Pats beat the Rams in 2001.

In some twisted, fanboy logic, because Randy Moss is here in New England, I kinda feel like this is a 2nd chance for a part of our poor '98 team. The Pats running the table and winning the SB won't give us Vikings fans a championship, but somehow I think I'll feel a little better. Kinda strange, huh? Does this make any sense to any other Minnesota fan here? Xzibit?

Hah..I definetely feel the same way man. I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm living vicariously through the Patriots this year. If the Pats do win and Moss gets his ring, it will right a couple wrongs in my book. Still wont take away the sting of '98 though, that loss to Atlanta gutted me up, it really did.
 
Hah..I definetely feel the same way man. I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm living vicariously through the Patriots this year. If the Pats do win and Moss gets his ring, it will right a couple wrongs in my book. Still wont take away the sting of '98 though, that loss to Atlanta gutted me up, it really did.


Glad I'm not the only one that feels that way. As an analogy for the New Englanders, that loss '98 to the Falcons was to Minnesota, probably something akin to the Buckner thing with the Red Sox and that grounder. Yep I am definitely living vicarious through these Patriots as well.
 
Glad I'm not the only one that feels that way. As an analogy for the New Englanders, that loss '98 to the Falcons was to Minnesota, probably something akin to the Buckner thing with the Red Sox and that grounder. Yep I am definitely living vicarious through these Patriots as well.

For me it was like the effin Ben Dreith call...
 
Statistically speaking as an offense it would've made a huge difference and he would probably make those .500 Carroll/Bledsoe teams into superbowl contenders

Those Carroll/Bledsoe teams were always in the playoffs, they just didn't have IT enough to go far. Who was the RB back then? I think Terry Allen was running for us after Edwards was done.

I think Moss would've made a big difference on the field. But I also think that one of the main problems with Carroll as a coach was that he was too nice a guy, too soft a personality (kind of like Denny Green... but that's why Carroll should stay at USC, an extremely stable job, and recruiting and running a college team favors his own personality). Bledsoe was never a true leader, either, which was why he did better under Parcells... the Carroll era lacked a leader, and I doubt Carroll would have been able to keep a young, immature Moss under control. But I think it would've made a big impact on the team.
 
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