Re: enough is enough....
I hate to sh.i.t in your ham sandwich, but the BB vs Dungy comparison is a bit of a stretch.
Perhaps Lloyd, but you fight fire with fire. If the haters use half truths and inuendo to slander us, why aren't we allowed to do the same.
Has Dungy done ANYTHING to gays to be accused of intolerance... other than say he thinks homosexuality is wrong. People are entitled to their opinions are they not? Maybe he has done something else and I don't know of it... hey, clue me in. If that's all he is guilty of though, give it a rest!
First of all who the f*ck are you to tell me to "give it a rest", right after telling me that "people are entitled to their opinions". After you finish reading this post, run to a dictionary and look up the word "consistency".
That being said, personally thinking that homosexuality is wrong in itself is OK, I guess. However Tony Dungy is a PUBLIC figure making that statement out loud. Not only is that intolerant, acting on it is against the law, and that is what he is encouraging with his PUBLIC opinion. He is labelling, being divisive, and encouraging discrimination to a fairly large minority in this country. all at a time we should be coming together. Even if its unwitting, Dungy's comments can be used by other, even less tolerant and perhaps more violent to justify attacks on homosexuals because God and Tony Dungy tells them its OK.
Ok, I agree with you here!
But, let's face the facts. Dungy is a player's coach... he likes to be their friend. BB is a Parcell's type of coach ... the exact opposite of the Dungy/Pete Carrol style of coaching.
I disagree about your characterization as BB being a Parcells type of coach. While it is common wisdom, because of BB's long association with him, it just isn't true. Just because BB isn't all warm and fuzzy in his public personna, his interaction with his players is much closer than its publically recongnized.
Just recently Carl Banks said in an article that BB's ability and willingness to LISTEN to his players and trust them, sets him apart from other coaches. His players will "go thru that wall" for BB because there is mutual respect. They know BB has their backs. They know he will never throw them under the media's bus. They know he will do what is best for the team, even at his own expense. Bill might not he a "friend" to his players, but he CAN'T be. That's because he he has to be their Teacher and leader.
Believe me Lloyd, that if you have played the game at the higher levels, you would love to be a player in the atmosphere that exists with the Patriots, and in that respect he is the ULTIMATE player's coach.
Throw in BB's fling with a married chick, his controversial escape from New York, his petty practice squad revenge tactics, his constant abbrasion (albeit deserved) with the NFL over things like attire and injury reports, the spygate fiasco and his overall grumpiness to the press and I think you have to give the edge to Dungy on the good vs evil argument.
I don't know about his fling with his married friend any more than what is reported in the tabloids, not exactly bastions of truth.
His "petty PS tactics" are SOP with a lot of coaches. He has every OBLIGATION to try and protect players he thinks will improve his team. Its his JOB to make it difficult for others to grab our players. BTW, if he had remained on the PS, Garret Mills would have seen a lot of action this year, and be haviing a much more enjoyable season than the one he's having with the soon to be replaced Viking HC....another piling on whiny loser.
Again in his handling of injury reports, he is doing his JOB. Protecting his players and enhancing his team's chances of winning is what he is supposed to do. If he stretches the rules, he is doing his job...just like every other coach in the league is SUPPOSED to do. BTW, the only people who have a reason to gripe about the "injury reports" are media pukes, and disgruntled FF players, for the average fan, or someone who just cares about their team or football, it is meaningless.
Spygate was a huge mistake by him. Don't forget that the actual violation was akin (as Tom Curran wrote) to aggrivated jaywalking. The fact that he intentionally brought about the confrontation, and wildly underestimated the media' and power hungry commissioner's reaction to it, is HIS FAULT. With 20-20 hindsite a BIG mistake. He stepped up, took responsibility, and absorbed the punishent. I think he is entitled to one mistake. Don't you?
So if perception is what is real in your world, then Dungy is good and BB is evil, however if reality has any bearing, then the division is much smaller and grayer.
All that being said, I like BB's coaching style and I think he is the greatest NFL HC of all time... including Lombardi. I just don't think he has the high ground in the good vs evil debate.
All that being said, I think Tony Dungy is an excellent HC, one of the top 5 in the league. I just don't think he has the high ground in the good vs evil debate.
