TMQ: Both backpedaling and making stuff up again

PatsFan00042 · Oct 30, 2007

They're all morons. Talk about agendas, it's as bad as politics with these penis wrinkles. And I refer to them as such because there seems to be so many of them. Everyone has an opinion, and when it pertains to New England or Boston, it's generally negative. You know, I know and they know deep down, the Pats are still the envy of the league, and next year there will be a few more players that will come here, for a pay cut, just to get the chance to play for BB, with TB, and get paid by BK.

What's that phrase again...oh yhea... EFF 'em...Eff em all...bunch of buttwads.

Kato · Oct 30, 2007

Fixit said:
The backpedal:
But all other things aren't equal. Last week's TMQ called the Colts the good team and the Patriots the bad team in a "Good vs. Evil" setup for next week's clash. After the column posted, I felt badly that I had not made clear I was being satirical -- that was my failing as a writer -- because, after all, none of us has the slightest idea what is in the hearts of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. There was Internet chatter calling me biased, ignorant, lower than pond scum; although in 2004 when I wrote a column for NFL.com saying Belichick was not only the best coach of the moment but perhaps the best coach ever, I don't recall anyone calling me biased or uninformed. Anyway, I apologize to Brady for complaining that he smirks -- saying this is an insult, and although it's fine to criticize public figures, insults are childish. (Remember, my argument is not with the New England players, it is with bad sportsmanship and cheating.) I even toyed with apologizing to Belichick, since comparing him to Beelzebub was a tad overloaded. But then I watched Sunday's game and thought, Belichick is exactly what I said!

The making up of stuff:
New England ran up the score, and on Monday was lavishly praised by sports pundits; Indianapolis pulled its starters early in the fourth quarter, and on Monday, sports pundits were complaining that the Colts' victory lacked style points. Uhhh, what?

I call him fredo, he's dead to me.

PatsFan00042 · Oct 30, 2007

You guys know, if the media has it's way Tom Brady will be playing with vise grips clamped onto one of his nuts and BB will be coaching with a telephone pole wrapped in 20 grit shoved up his *****.

Fixit · Oct 30, 2007

Ewwwwwwww, how'd I miss this?

All the victims were beautiful teenagers or young women, and few events seem sadder than the death of beauty in youth because it is assumed -- whether truly or falsely -- that the world lies at the feet of the young and attractive.

Does anyone know if he owns a windowless van?

FlyingElvis75 · Oct 30, 2007

Rob0729 said:
First, the Colts pulled Manning after his first drive in the fourth quarter. The Pats pulled Brady after their first drive in the fourth quarter. The only difference was that Manning's drive took about 2 minutes and Brady's took about 6 minutes of clock time.

Second, where was anyone who complained that the Colts didn't run up the score. They did rightfully so talk about how the Colts struggled early. Manning did have zero passing yards in the first quarter and only 6 passing yards in the first half while the defense gave up an 18 play, 80 yard TD drive that took up 11 minutes of clock time.

Third, the Pats played a near perfect game while the Colts played a sloppy one at least in the first half. The only things you can really point to with the Pats' poor performance was Gostowski's kick off out of bounds and the one TD drive we gave up with a lot of scrubs in. Meriweather is now our third or fourth string FS and he was the one who gave up the TD.

And let's look at a game from the Manning-record season. Colts up on Houston, 42-7, in the 4th quarter:

1-10-IND 12 (12:02) P.Manning pass incomplete to M.Harrison.
2-10-IND 12 (11:57) P.Manning pass to M.Harrison to IND 25 for 13 yards (G.Earl).
1-10-IND 25 (11:21) P.Manning pass to R.Wayne to IND 37 for 12 yards (D.Robinson).
1-10-IND 37 (10:44) P.Manning pass intended for M.Pollard INTERCEPTED by A.Peek at HOU 48. A.Peek to IND 32 for 20 yards (D.Clark).

Four consecutive passes. Up 42-7 in the 4th. But that's good sportsmanship, because he graciously allowed an interception, right?

Later in the same quarter:

2-10-IND 30 (1:47) D.Carr pass intended for A.Johnson INTERCEPTED by V.Hutchins at IND 23. V.Hutchins for 77 yards, TOUCHDOWN. PENALTY on IND-V.Hutchins, Taunting, 15 yards, enforced between downs.

Taunting after returning an interception for a touchdown. Oh, but the Colts "always show class," so that's great sportsmanship, right?

Mainefan · Oct 30, 2007

There is a very simple word for this "backtracking." It's called LYING.

He's like the kid with his hand in the cookie jar, explaining that he just wanted to see how full it is.

He's a liar and a coward, and I don't think much of him as a human being either.

SVN · Oct 30, 2007

FlyingElvis75 said:
And let's look at a game from the Manning-record season. Colts up on Houston, 42-7, in the 4th quarter:

1-10-IND 12 (12:02) P.Manning pass incomplete to M.Harrison.
2-10-IND 12 (11:57) P.Manning pass to M.Harrison to IND 25 for 13 yards (G.Earl).
1-10-IND 25 (11:21) P.Manning pass to R.Wayne to IND 37 for 12 yards (D.Robinson).
1-10-IND 37 (10:44) P.Manning pass intended for M.Pollard INTERCEPTED by A.Peek at HOU 48. A.Peek to IND 32 for 20 yards (D.Clark).

Four consecutive passes. Up 42-7 in the 4th. But that's good sportsmanship, because he graciously allowed an interception, right?

Later in the same quarter:

2-10-IND 30 (1:47) D.Carr pass intended for A.Johnson INTERCEPTED by V.Hutchins at IND 23. V.Hutchins for 77 yards, TOUCHDOWN. PENALTY on IND-V.Hutchins, Taunting, 15 yards, enforced between downs.

Taunting after returning an interception for a touchdown. Oh, but the Colts "always show class," so that's great sportsmanship, right?

let me post that to easterbrook's chat and see what he says.

FlyingElvis75 · Oct 30, 2007

Go for it! I already posted it in response to some moron commenting on his TMQ.

[Edit] Btw, in case anyone asks, that is from the play-by-play record of the game from NFL.com. It's a credible source (unlike a certain hack on ESPN.com)

BradyFTW! · Oct 30, 2007

SVN said:
let me post that to easterbrook's chat and see what he says.

I just did as well. Won't get picked up though.

SVN · Oct 30, 2007

BradyFTW! said:
I just did as well. Won't get picked up though.

iam sure it wont either. whatever keeps the controversy going is what picked up.

PlattsFan · Oct 30, 2007

Seriously, Gregg Easterbrook is an elaborately dressed up troll, and he always has been. This is what he does, and the "I was being satirical" defense is stock-in-trade for that crowd. Ignore him, it's the only response.

That said, I continue not to care if the Pats are really running up the score or not. As you can see from Fixit's sig, I ranted for that very thing even before the Chargers game. I was waayyy ahead of the national media on the Eff You angle. Really, F*** you, NFL and Randall Godfrey and everyone else. You want the Pats to score under 40 on you, try holding them under 40 yourselves, you sniveling dogs.

This is the most enjoyable football season ever. How can you not be having fun as a Patriots fan?

Fixit · Oct 30, 2007

PlattsFan said:
That said, I continue not to care if the Pats are really running up the score or not. As you can see from Fixit's sig, I ranted for that very thing even before the Chargers game. I was waayyy ahead of the national media on the Eff You angle. Really, F*** you, NFL and Randall Godfrey and everyone else. You want the Pats to score under 40 on you, try holding them under 40 yourselves, you sniveling dogs.

I was your first disciple.

Saqs · Oct 30, 2007

Wow. Easterbrook is well known for hating on the Skins. I'm rather surprised he didnt come out calling Fletcher and Daniels whiners.

FlyingElvis75 · Oct 30, 2007

PlattsFan said:
Seriously, Gregg Easterbrook is an elaborately dressed up troll, and he always has been. This is what he does, and the "I was being satirical" defense is stock-in-trade for that crowd. Ignore him, it's the only response.

Exactly. It's the classic defense of the blustery coward: say something that's stupid or gets you in trouble, try to weasel out of it by saying "it was a joke" instead of standing up like a man and admitting you were wrong.

This is what satire looks like:
Peyton Manning runs naked into burning houses every month to save kittens. Tony Dungy invented penicillin. Bill Polian builds low-income housing in Indianapolis with his bare hands.

Tom Brady went to an orphanage last month and adopted four children so he could eat them. Bill Belichick was approached with an offer from Satan, and now *he* owns *Satan's* soul. Bob Kraft is single-handedly driving the blue whale to extinction.

I.e, satire isn't satire unless it's obvious to the vast majority of readers. It includes things that could not possibly be true in the eyes of most readers. His TMQ column was nowhere NEAR any definition of satire. It's closer to the definition of "libel."

SVN · Oct 30, 2007

FlyingElvis75 said:
And let's look at a game from the Manning-record season. Colts up on Houston, 42-7, in the 4th quarter:

1-10-IND 12 (12:02) P.Manning pass incomplete to M.Harrison.
2-10-IND 12 (11:57) P.Manning pass to M.Harrison to IND 25 for 13 yards (G.Earl).
1-10-IND 25 (11:21) P.Manning pass to R.Wayne to IND 37 for 12 yards (D.Robinson).
1-10-IND 37 (10:44) P.Manning pass intended for M.Pollard INTERCEPTED by A.Peek at HOU 48. A.Peek to IND 32 for 20 yards (D.Clark).

Four consecutive passes. Up 42-7 in the 4th. But that's good sportsmanship, because he graciously allowed an interception, right?

Later in the same quarter:

2-10-IND 30 (1:47) D.Carr pass intended for A.Johnson INTERCEPTED by V.Hutchins at IND 23. V.Hutchins for 77 yards, TOUCHDOWN. PENALTY on IND-V.Hutchins, Taunting, 15 yards, enforced between downs.

Taunting after returning an interception for a touchdown. Oh, but the Colts "always show class," so that's great sportsmanship, right?

i sent this info to jason cole of yahoo sports

in response to his column today - http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...YF?slug=jc-patriots102807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

his response was thus

Well, I've never written that the Colts always show class. Frankly, I didn't know if they did or not. But I will give you credit for doing some good research. But a good point to ask is, what did Dungy do about the behavior afterward?

Take care, Jason Cole

so i guess i need to thank you for your research

FlyingElvis75 · Oct 30, 2007

Heh, no problem, though I wouldn't call it "research" in the sense that anyone could do it in 10 minutes of surfing NFL.com.

I think the more pertinent questions are:
a) Isn't it a journalist's job to look up facts like that (potential opposing evidence) when presenting a "balanced" story?

b) How did you (and the rest of the media) react afterwards?

SVN · Oct 30, 2007

FlyingElvis75 said:
Heh, no problem, though I wouldn't call it "research" in the sense that anyone could do it in 10 minutes of surfing NFL.com.

I think the more pertinent questions are:
a) Isn't it a journalist's job to look up facts like that (potential opposing evidence) when presenting a "balanced" story?

b) How did you (and the rest of the media) react afterwards?

this is what i sent him back

Well , credit for the research goes to other fans on the pats board so i will forward them that. I dont know what dungy said but i guess i wont be wrong to say that in that season people were saying 'poor lions' and 'awesome manning' more than 'running up the score' . I didn't see a column about running up the score written then but now people are breaking down every play the pats run in the 4th quarter and crucifying them as if they were the first to do it. It would be great if someone mentioned that the colts also did this and its no different.

FlyingElvis75 · Oct 30, 2007

Nice. If only the sports media were more concerned about reporting than stirring up sh*t...

Some other factoids re: Gibbs' Redskins (I'm sure these have been posted in the larger thread):

1991-2 season:
Week 11: WAS 56, ATL 17
Week 3: WAS 34, PHO 0
Week 1: WAS 45, DET 0

I think it's easy to explain why Gibbs "had no problem" with the Pats game.

SVN · Oct 30, 2007

FlyingElvis75 said:
Nice. If only the sports media were more concerned about reporting than stirring up sh*t...

Some other factoids re: Gibbs' Redskins (I'm sure these have been posted in the larger thread):

1991-2 season:
Week 11: WAS 56, ATL 17
Week 3: WAS 34, PHO 0
Week 1: WAS 45, DET 0

I think it's easy to explain why Gibbs "had no problem" with the Pats game.

i heard schlereth on felger's show and he was still frothing over last week. Felger asked him about a denver game and he said they wouldnt throw 35 yd passes. they would run. He said joe gibbs wouldnt have done that.

SVN · Oct 30, 2007

FlyingElvis75 said:
Nice. If only the sports media were more concerned about reporting than stirring up sh*t...

Some other factoids re: Gibbs' Redskins (I'm sure these have been posted in the larger thread):

1991-2 season:
Week 11: WAS 56, ATL 17
Week 3: WAS 34, PHO 0
Week 1: WAS 45, DET 0

I think it's easy to explain why Gibbs "had no problem" with the Pats game.

here is what he says now

But do be a little careful on the comparison. In that Houston game, the Colts were in their own territory when they did it and all the throws were short. Granted, they should have been burning clock with a backup RB and a backup QB, but at least they didn't throw deep, which is what the Pats did and they didn't go on fourth down.

Again, I don't have a big problem with what the Pats did, but they are doing two things (as further evidenced by the late score against Dallas and putting Brady back in the game against Miami).

First, no mercy. Second, they are toying with the egos of their opponents. That can be dangerous if you play someone with a big ego and a low emotional IQ.

Just ask Anthony Gurode about Albert Haynesworth.

Later, Jason

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