OT: It's unanimous so far...T. Dungy=B. Walsh

Double G said:

You're some kind of D bag, no doubt about it. Enjoy your one championship and watching Gump get planted all year now that he's lost his backside protection.................

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CaColtsfan said:

the kind of poster who puts an embarrased smilie not a because I usually don't post Patriots stuff so I added the embarrassed smiley to convey my feelings about posting Patriots news.

So I guess I am that kind of D bag...

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fair catch fryar said:

One of the obsessed.

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CaColtsfan said:

if you only knew me

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CaColtsfan said:

So I guess I am that kind of D bag...

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richpats said:

Apparently.

Oh and I'm sure somebody else would have come along and posted the news, sans any smiley face.

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Nordberg said:

You mean the TD where you or I could have scored on. That TD looked like two things happed

A) The Pats let them score....to give Brady more time to work with.

B) They played pass all the way

Either way....Colt fans act like he broke 20 tackles on his way to an 80 yard TD run

They do think he's better....and they should....he's plays for the Colts.

But, I think Maroney (healthy) would have run for 1,500 yards in that offense....

I guess we will see this year....with Maroney seeing similar defensive fronts. No more 8 men in the box.

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The west coast offense was actually started by Sid Gillman when he was with the Chargers in the 60s. He believed that passing the ball deep downfield would spread out the defense more and open things up for the running game and shorter passes. The strategy was adopted in part by Don Coryell and became known as the "Air Coryell" offense. he modified it a bit and focused more on a spread offense and the threat of downfield passes to have a power running game between the tackles. Paul Brown wanted to implement Gillman's offensive approach when Walsh was the OC for the Bengals. What was Walsh's innovation and why it proved to be a very successful offensive strategy where Gillman's and Coryell's failed, was instead of opening up the field by throwing deep passes, Walsh concentrated on the timing routes, slants, hooks, etc under 15 yards. This lead to the passing game being used to control the clock and move the chains (which is why Gillman's and Coryell's strategies weren't as effective... they were quick strike offensives that didn't have much to fall back on if the deep passes weren't there.)

This is why Dungy can be mentioned in the same breath... He took a successful defensive strategy (70's steel curtain) and modified it and it's now being used by many teams in the league.

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TripleOption said:

You're a twit. To even compare the modifications and overall system implemented by Walsh to Dungy's sinking the MLB to take away the middle hole is ludicrous. They're not even in the same ballpark.

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CaColtsfan said:

thanks for the attack...have a great day.

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TripleOption said:

My pleasure. Now stop comparing your mediocre, bible thumping one hit wonder to a truly innovative Hall of Fame football genius.

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This is why after reading the thread I knew that many posters on this forum were idiots and do not understand the game of football or it's history very well. Dungy's contribution to the cover 2 involved quite a bit more than dropping the MLB back into the deep zone. In Noll's D he had his NT and MLB playing what is now considered a more traditional role in that the NT was responsible for the center and the gaps to the right and left of center and the MLB still had primarily a run first between the tackles responsibility. The OLB were responsible for contain on the outside and man coverage on TEs or slots receivers or backs that came to their side, while the CBs played man or zone based on the offensive formation and safeties playing the two deep zone coverage. With the west coast offense becoming popular in the NFL, Dungy changed the responsibility of all LBers and the DTs making it more of a one gap type D, with all 3 LBers have more of a pass first mentality then reacting when it's a run, the CBs play more zone than Noll's CB, but they can still play man depending on the defensive alignment.

Look I understand you don't want to give Dungy his due because he's been the coach of the Colts and he's in Tom Brady's head. But please do not try to pass off short sentences that don't actually say anything of substance as football knowledge, because if this thread is any indication.... you have very, very little to spare."

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CaColtsfan said:

http://www2.indystar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3129115&postcount=56

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Dungy changed the responsibility of all LBers and the DTs making it more of a one gap type D, with all 3 LBers have more of a pass first mentality then reacting when it's a run, the CBs play more zone than Noll's CB, but they can still play man depending on the defensive alignment.

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TripleOption said:

My pleasure. Now stop comparing your mediocre, bible thumping one hit wonder to a truly innovative Hall of Fame football genius.

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TripleOption said:

This guy is an idiot. No goddamn LB has a "pass first" mentality. That's the quickest way to 2nd and 4. If it's 3rd and 12, sure.

He is implying Dungy converted the two gap 3-4 that Noll was running when Dungy was in Pitt and created a one gap, 4 lineman front. So, I guess, Dungy created the 4-3. What a genius.

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CaColtsfan said:

thanks for the attack...have a great day.

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