Joe Montana to Steve Young II?

Brady6 · Sep 18, 2016

BradyFTW! said:
Yeah, this is what the no-thought quick take specialists always miss. With Montana/Young, the 49ers waited to see an actual decline from Montana before they seriously entertained the possibility of replacing him. They were essentially forced to, because moving forward with Montana as a full-time QB was realistically off the table whether they kept him or traded him.

Meanwhile, Garoppolo has as many serious injuries through 6 quarters of his career as Brady has through 16 years.

Montana had a serious injury that opened the door. A back injury at his age it was conceivable that he would never be the same player. He didn't take it on the chin for his team because the commissioner has a hard on for them.

Deus Irae · Sep 18, 2016

deters said:
I'm delusional one yet y'all are 100% confident in a 39 yr old QB playing elite until 2020... I can assure you the BB and Brady have discussed this. BB will always do what's best for the team. Keeping a QB you might get 3 elite years vs keeping one you could have for a decade is an easy choice. The only way it's gonna be a beautiful ending is if he wins the SB and retires, otherwise he's not gonna go out how he wants imo. Brady is likely gone by 2018.

Tell us more of what went down during your intimate conversation with Bill Belichick on the subject of the inner workings of the New England Patriots.

Brady6 · Sep 18, 2016

BradyFTW! said:
In 6 quarters of play, Jimmy went in the eyes of a large chunk of this board from "I'm not sure we can go 2-2 with him" to "we should replace Brady with him".

Even for this place, that's about as crazy and hysterical of an overreaction as I've seen.

Brissett will be replacing them both back Friday morning.

heavyde050 · Sep 18, 2016

letekro said:
Dont know if Jimmy will be as good as Young but its clear he will be a good NFL QB, at worst. People who think BB would keep a 40 year old Brady over a 25 year old Garappolo dont know BB.

He would if the 40 year old Brady played like the 38 year old Brady (which in my opinion is better than Jimmy G).

letekro · Sep 18, 2016

Gronk said:
The last 11 Super Bowls have been won by 10 different franchises. This isn't the only place Jimmy can be good (or win). He's also not the only guy who can be good after Brady. He would be the only guy who would immediately cost more than the legend he'd be replacing.

Why wouldnt he cost more? He is 25 and has pretty much every skill a QB needs to be successful. There is nothing more valuable in the NFL than a young stud QB. The Brady fanboys are fanboys and don't understand that the future projection is the only thing that matters to BB.

NashuaPats · Sep 18, 2016

I really hope this discussion intensifies after the season. Because that will mean Brady is still playing at a high level and still talking about playing multiple more seasons. I look forward to that.

The_Riddler · Sep 18, 2016

Jimmy has obviously proven himself. I've seen enough. Our future is bright and we better not trade him. I don't care what's offered. TB will decline. You can't fight Father Time. Competition is what made TB great and I'm sure he knows based on these last two games that Competition is now staring him in the face.

deters · Sep 18, 2016

letekro said:
Anyone who wanted to replace Brady after 2008 was being silly. Just like anyone who wants to keep him beyond 2017. you trade Brady for two firsts after this year and start the Jimmy G era with a strong team and a boatload of picks.

I wouldn't trade Brady or release him until offseason going into 2018. Resign Jimmy that free agency year and give him the keys in 2018.

As for compensation it wouldn't be super high in a trade.

Other than that I 100% agree with you.

RobertWeathers · Sep 18, 2016

BradyFTW! said:
Even his 2018 dead cap is pretty bad. Not completely untenable like 2017, but for what it would take to keep Jimmy past 2017 (presumably $20M+ per), a $14M dead cap hit from Brady = too much invested in QBs to reasonably compete

It's a challenge no question.

letekro · Sep 18, 2016

heavyde050 said:
He would if the 40 year old Brady played like the 38 year old Brady (which in my opinion is better than Jimmy G).

Only a fool would keep a great 40 year old qb over a very good 25 year old QB with hos whole career ahead of him to improve. BB is no fool.

heavyde050 · Sep 18, 2016

deters said:
Team would be stupid to not invest in Jimmy beyond 2017. You just don't get rid of a potential franchise QB when your current one only has 2-3 great years left. Absorb the cap hit in 2018, Jimmy becomes starter in 2019.

26 yr old Jimmy > 41 year old Brady.

I am not sure how you can say a 26 year old Jimmy is definitely better than 41 year old Brady. I think you may be right, but am no where near that confident. I am 99.9% confident in saying that Jimmy isn't going down as the GOAT or even entering the conversation.
I think Brady has earned the right to end his Pats career on his own terms and I hope he continues to play at last year's level (which is elite).

BradyFTW! · Sep 18, 2016

Brady6 said:
Brissett will be replacing them both back Friday morning.

Watch what happens if Brissett does okay against Houston then throws 3 TDs against Buffalo.

Suddenly a bunch of people will want to trade Brady AND Garoppolo.

Rob0729 · Sep 18, 2016

BradyFTW! said:
In 6 quarters of play, Jimmy went in the eyes of a large chunk of this board from "I'm not sure we can go 2-2 with him" to "we should replace Brady with him".

Even for this place, that's about as crazy and hysterical of an overreaction as I've seen.

Especially since he played well, not great last week.

deters · Sep 18, 2016

Deus Irae said:
Tell us more of what went down during your intimate conversation with Bill Belichick on the subject of the inner workings of the New England Patriots.

If you think his future hasn't been discussed your just ignorant. The long term future of this team doesn't include TB much longer and that's a fact. Face reality and stop clinging to the past. I love TB but the writing is on the wall just like it is for ALL players. His time is coming soon. The team will face some difficult questions going into 2018.

heavyde050 · Sep 18, 2016

letekro said:
Only a fool would keep a great 40 year old qb over a very good 25 year old QB with hos whole career ahead of him to improve. BB is no fool.

Well maybe BB is just that fool. I mean if Jimmy was the no doubt future, why draft Jacoby in the third round this year.
I think BB did that to hedge his bets because he is a brilliant coach. IF Jacoby is good enough, that allows that Pats to continue with Brady and ship out Jimmy. Or maybe BB ships out Brady.
I don't know what the Pats will do, but I am sure BB has thought of everything which includes getting rid of Jimmy and having Brady play until Jacoby is ready.

Gronk · Sep 18, 2016

BradyFTW! said:
Watch what happens if Brissett does okay against Houston then throws 3 TDs against Buffalo.

Suddenly a bunch of people will want to trade Brady AND Garoppolo.

If we package TB/JG together to the right team, we could really build the future.

letekro · Sep 18, 2016

deters said:
I wouldn't trade Brady or release him until offseason going into 2018. Resign Jimmy that free agency year and give him the keys in 2018.

As for compensation it wouldn't be super high in a trade.

Other than that I 100% agree with you.

I think this team is SB caliber. If they win with Brady and he looks like he did last year, i think the odds are good he would fetch 2 firsts. He would turn a lot of teams into SB contenders over night if only for 2-4 years.

heavyde050 · Sep 18, 2016

deters said:
If you think his future hasn't been discussed your just ignorant. The long term future of this team doesn't include TB much longer and that's a fact. Face reality and stop clinging to the past. I love TB but the writing is on the wall just like it is for ALL players. His time is coming soon.

It has definitely been discussed. It just seems that it is a possibility that the future is Brady to Jacoby with Jimmy netting players/picks.

BradyFTW! · Sep 18, 2016

deters said:
If you think his future hasn't been discussed your just ignorant. The long term future of this team doesn't include TB much longer and that's a fact.

Why would it be discussed? It doesn't need to be discussed yet, and there's nothing to be gained by prematurely discussing it. Let's for the sake of argument say that Belichick does intend to trade Brady if Garoppolo looks good. Even then, why have that conversation before Garoppolo's proven to be good?

doesntmatter1 · Sep 18, 2016

Im a Jimmy believer but there are two things he has yet to prove for me to be 100% behind him. #1 is durability, which he is failing at the moment and #2 is the ability to play in bad weather. Until he proves those two things, Jacoby could one day snatch the role of Steve Young away from him in a season or 2 for all we know.

I'm just happy we seem to have options for the inevitable day when Brady is replaced. From what we have seen, there is no reason to fear the future.

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