The JimmyG pick(s)

So, Jimmy G to Washington? #ElPresidente2016

Let's not count our eggs until week 5

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The way I see it there's no QB even close to the #1 pick. Maybe 2 1st rounders but that's a big if. Just a weak class imo.

The Patriots will do the smart thing and just sit back and wait. No need to press the issue.


Arizona, SF, Chicago, NO, Detroit

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Houston logo Houston Khalil Mack OLB Buffalo Jadeveon Clowney *
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Los Angeles logo Los Angeles Trade Icon Odell Beckham, Jr. * WR LSU Greg Robinson **
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Jacksonville logo Jacksonville Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh Blake Bortles *
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Buffalo logo Buffalo Trade Icon Sammy Watkins * WR Clemson Sammy Watkins *
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Oakland logo Oakland Zack Martin OT Notre Dame Khalil Mack
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Atlanta logo Atlanta Jake Matthews OT Texas A&M Jake Matthews
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Tampa Bay logo Tampa Bay Mike Evans ** WR Texas A&M Mike Evans **
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Cleveland logo Cleveland Trade Icon Blake Bortles * QB Central Florida Justin Gilbert
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Minnesota logo Minnesota Trade Icon Teddy Bridgewater * QB Louisville Anthony Barr
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Detroit logo Detroit Derek Carr QB Fresno State Eric Ebron *
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Tennessee logo Tennessee Deone Bucannon S Washington State Taylor Lewan
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NY Giants logo NY Giants Allen Robinson * WR Penn State Odell Beckham, Jr. *
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Los Angeles logo Los Angeles Carlos Hyde RB Ohio State Aaron Donald
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Chicago logo Chicago Ha Ha Clinton-Dix * S Alabama Kyle Fuller
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Pittsburgh logo Pittsburgh Greg Robinson ** OT Auburn Ryan Shazier *
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Dallas logo Dallas Anthony Barr OLB UCLA Zack Martin
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Baltimore logo Baltimore Jadeveon Clowney * DE South Carolina C.J. Mosley
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NY Jets logo NY Jets Brandin Cooks * WR Oregon State Calvin Pryor *
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Miami logo Miami Kelvin Benjamin ** WR Florida State Ja'Wuan James
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New Orleans logo New Orleans Trade Icon C.J. Mosley ILB Alabama Brandin Cooks *
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Green Bay logo Green Bay Jeremy Hill ** RB LSU Ha Ha Clinton-Dix *
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Cleveland logo Cleveland Trade Icon Jimmy Garoppolo QB Eastern Illinois Johnny Manziel **
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Kansas City logo Kansas City Jordan Matthews WR Vanderbilt Dee Ford
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Cincinnati logo Cincinnati John Brown WR Pittsburg State Darqueze Dennard
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San Diego logo San Diego Stephon Tuitt * DE Notre Dame Jason Verrett
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Philadelphia logo Philadelphia Trade Icon Kony Ealy * DE Missouri Marcus Smith
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Arizona logo Arizona Trade Icon Jarvis Landry * WR LSU Deone Bucannon
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Carolina logo Carolina Martavis Bryant * WR Clemson Kelvin Benjamin **
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New England logo New England A.J. McCarron QB Alabama Dominique Easley
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San Francisco logo San Francisco Zach Mettenberger QB LSU Jimmie Ward
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Denver logo Denver Eric Ebron * TE UNC Bradley Roby *
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Minnesota logo Minnesota Trade Icon Kyle Fuller CB Virginia Tech Teddy Bridgewater *


This is so ugly. Didnt know where to put this. Figured its another pov on where Jimmy would have gone in hindsight.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

The way I see it there's no QB even close to the #1 pick. Maybe 2 1st rounders but that's a big if. Just a weak class imo.

The Patriots will do the smart thing and just sit back and wait. No need to press the issue.


Arizona, SF, Chicago, NO, Detroit

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If Cleveland offers us both their first rounders, does bb send them jimmy g?

Ochmed Jones said:

If Cleveland offers us both their first rounders, does bb send them jimmy g?

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Yes 100%.

You take Garrett and have the best edge rusher in 8-10 years with unlimited potential. Again I think hes a cross between Ware and Peppers.

With our first and Philas first Id use one and take the best defensive player available on our board.

Trade the other pick, maybe a future 1st or another 2nd and 3rd-4th in 17 depending on which we actually keep.


Fwiw Id be very happy with Cleveland 2nd 1st (Phila pick) and w/e else we could get.

I haven't touched this thread for a while so i will now.

Opening thought right now is this. The Pats don't need to do anything if value is not there. Jimmy on the bench is better than trading him to try to just get any value back even if they know he is gone after this year. He is IMO way better insurance than Brissett and if something happens to Brady is definitely the guy I want to have as my backup.

Also worth noting if something happens to Brady and he misses 4-6 games and Jimmy does really well the possibility exist to franchise Jimmy and then trade him (in which case someone would cough up a high first I am sure). Just something to keep in mind.

Personally I don't even consider moving Jimmy unless I can get a top 20 pick or enough capital to move up inside the top 20. That is the absolute baseline for me but of course I'd like more. I am just saying I would not waste my time listening to offers below that. If Bradford can get you in the mid first Jimmy should get more IMO.

BobDigital said:

I haven't touches this thread for a while so i will now.

Opening thought right now is this. The Pats don't need to do anything if value is not there. Jimmy on the bench is better than trading him to try to just get any value back even if they know he is gone after this year. He is IMO way better insurance than Brissett and if something happens to Brady is definitely the guy I want to have as my backup.

Also worth noting if something happens to Brady and he misses 4-6 games and Jimmy does really well the possibility exist to franchise Jimmy and then trade him (in which cause someone would cough up a high first I am sure). Just something to keep in mind.

Personally I don't even consider moving Jimmy unless I can get a top 20 pick or enough capital to move up inside the top 20. That is the absolute baseline for me but of course I'd like more. I am just saying I would not waste my time listening to offers below that. If Bradford can get you in the mid first Jimmy should get more IMO.

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Imo, I don't think there is any question that JimmyG will get that much. Not much has changed since earlier in the year, besides this qb draft proving to be even worse than advertised.

There are going to be 7 teams picking in the top 15 with serious qb questions. All we need is one that becomes desperate, or enamored with JimmyG, and it's fish in a barrel.

I.M. Fletcher said:

There are going to be 7 teams picking in the top 15 with serious qb questions. All we need is one that becomes desperate, or enamored with JimmyG, and it's fish in a barrel.

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Cleveland it is!

Id really like McD to take a job with a top 3 pick. Johnathan Allen Would be a dream come true.

A lot of people are saying two first, but I think a top 3 pick, and also that teams 2nd would be more than enough return.

4 picks in the top 64 picks would be insane, especially with this years depth with blue-collar players in the top 100.

Johnathan Allen (2-4)

Maybe O.j Howard or a possibly a quality ILB like Jarred Davis, or a stud like Zach Cunningham ILB (if he's still available. (our 32nd)

A DE that's projecting in the first half of the 2nd round, like Taco Charlton, Charles Harris, Carl Lawson (33-36)
I have a feeling a few DE's are going to fall to the second, so waiting until the end of the second and going CB early here might be better.

My current binky is Jordan Lewis CB Michigan
I'm praying he makes it to 64, but I have a feeling he is going to rise into the mid second by draft day

If we could somehow come away with any combination of these players by the end of the second, then pick a RB and a TE with our 3rds, and sign Hightower, Bulter, and maybe Sheard to 3-5 year contracts. It would allow us to chase after at least one big ticket FA for our defense. My wish would be Eric Berry. You would have a team loaded with talent, whom which many of would be in their primes, and the rest top tier players on rookie contracts. This would allow them seriously contend for at least 2-3 more superbowls.

Personally, I think with Jimmy (or no one for the matter) not being a sure bet, I think the potential with even a return like the one I listed is worth trading him.
With this years QB class, I think a 1st, and 2nd are totally a reality.

BobDigital said:

I haven't touches this thread for a while so i will now.

Opening thought right now is this. The Pats don't need to do anything if value is not there. Jimmy on the bench is better than trading him to try to just get any value back even if they know he is gone after this year. He is IMO way better insurance than Brissett and if something happens to Brady is definitely the guy I want to have as my backup.

Also worth noting if something happens to Brady and he misses 4-6 games and Jimmy does really well the possibility exist to franchise Jimmy and then trade him (in which case someone would cough up a high first I am sure). Just something to keep in mind.

Personally I don't even consider moving Jimmy unless I can get a top 20 pick or enough capital to move up inside the top 20. That is the absolute baseline for me but of course I'd like more. I am just saying I would not waste my time listening to offers below that. If Bradford can get you in the mid first Jimmy should get more IMO.

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There are only so many snaps in practice and tom Brady is going to get a vast majority of them. So that means every snap that jimmy gets next season in either training camp or during the regular season or during the playoffs is one less that brissett gets.

And then after next season jimmy leaves in free agency and we are left with a backup for the 2018 season that is completely unprepared to back up a 41 year old qb.

This does not seem like the short term thinking that has made bb the envy of the rest of the nfl.

Here's our starting point gents!

yopats said:

Here's our starting point gents!

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This will be fun.

I hope we get the Bears' #3 overall + the last year of Akiem Hicks (that would be easier to resign this time with our Collins-free cap space), then we trade it to Cleveland (desperate to get Mike Trubitski or "New AP" Fournette or Peppers) for their #9/10 (via Philly) + #65 + 2018 1st (that should be at the very least a mid-round). And again, we trade back to any team dreaming of landing Reuben Foster or whoever still on the board for a 1st + a 2nd round picks (somewhere in the 20's)

We would get from the Grop trade :
2 1sts : #20-25 + high-mid round 2018
1 2nd : #51-58
1 3rd : #65
Akiem Hicks

With 5 picks in the top 65 / 7 in the top 104 (+1 additional first for 2018), BB could cause irreversible damages to the rest of the League.

AHoodieWorshipperInParis said:

I hope we get the Bears' #3 overall + the last year of Akiem Hicks (that would be easier to resign this time with our Collins-free cap space), then we trade it to Cleveland (desperate to get Mike Trubitski or "New AP" Fournette or Peppers) for their #9/10 (via Philly) + #65 + 2018 1st (that should be at the very least a mid-round). And again, we trade back to any team dreaming of landing Reuben Foster or whoever still on the board for a 1st + a 2nd round picks (somewhere in the 20's)

We would get from the Grop trade :
2 1sts : #20-25 + high-mid round 2018
1 2nd : #51-58
1 3rd : #65
Akiem Hicks

With 5 picks in the top 65 / 7 in the top 104 (+1 additional first for 2018), BB could cause irreversible damages to the rest of the League.

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Ummm. I don't think any player in the league is worth 2 1sts, a 1 2nd, a 3rd, and a very good DT.

reamer said:

Ummm. I don't think any player in the league is worth 2 1sts, a 1 2nd, a 3rd, and a very good DT.

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RG3 ?

AHoodieWorshipperInParis said:

I hope we get the Bears' #3 overall + the last year of Akiem Hicks (that would be easier to resign this time with our Collins-free cap space), then we trade it to Cleveland (desperate to get Mike Trubitski or "New AP" Fournette or Peppers) for their #9/10 (via Philly) + #65 + 2018 1st (that should be at the very least a mid-round). And again, we trade back to any team dreaming of landing Reuben Foster or whoever still on the board for a 1st + a 2nd round picks (somewhere in the 20's)

We would get from the Grop trade :
2 1sts : #20-25 + high-mid round 2018
1 2nd : #51-58
1 3rd : #65
Akiem Hicks

With 5 picks in the top 65 / 7 in the top 104 (+1 additional first for 2018), BB could cause irreversible damages to the rest of the League.

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I know this looks like pie in the sky, but there is some hope and reasoning to this.

Chicago to me, is our best case scenario to get paid off for Jimmy. John fox is a good coach who has rebuilt a franchise in two years in his image, and now just needs a qb to make it run. He has a blossoming defense, a great oline, and a difference maker at rb and possibly WR if Jeffry comes back. That is a fantastic situation for a QB to walk in to.

Three additional elements for Chicago.

1. John fox has to win this year. Another losing season and the last few years are for nothing. He knows this, so drafting trubisky or kizer make little sense for them.

2. Hometown element. Whatever you think about this stuff, front offices do, specifically owner level. It only helps out cause and could finalize a difficult choice. Any high cost situation comes down to how public opinion views it. Having that in our corner, as silly as it sounds, could be the difference.

3. John fox has seen the difference a qb can make with Peyton. Fox had done a great job of building a good defense and good oline with some skill position players, but had to work through tebow. Once they had Peyton, everything else looked better. Jimmy is not Peyton, but the jump from cutler to bonafide starter would make an exceptional difference. Fox will know that better than anyone.

As for the secondary trades, it's how I imagine it will work out if we ended up with a top 5 pick. Trading down 3 times for teams desperate to find a qb (trubisky at 3, kizer at 9-10) and stay in the 17-24 spot to grab an impact defender. This is the type of draft that has so much meat in the top 120 picks, I am not even sure they would push picks back a year. They can find high end talent in the 3rd round that will fit needs and build the necessary core for Brady's last hurrah.

All that to say, I think the above example is our best case scenario, but probably with Hicks removed.

I.M. Fletcher said:

I know this looks like pie in the sky, but there is some hope and reasoning to this.

Chicago to me, is our best case scenario to get paid off for Jimmy. John fox is a good coach who has rebuilt a franchise in two years in his image, and now just needs a qb to make it run. He has a blossoming defense, a great oline, and a difference maker at rb and possibly WR if Jeffry comes back. That is a fantastic situation for a QB to walk in to.

Three additional elements for Chicago.

1. John fox has to win this year. Another losing season and the last few years are for nothing. He knows this, so drafting trubisky or kizer make little sense for them.

2. Hometown element. Whatever you think about this stuff, front offices do, specifically owner level. It only helps out cause and could finalize a difficult choice. Any high cost situation comes down to how public opinion views it. Having that in our corner, as silly as it sounds, could be the difference.

3. John fox has seen the difference a qb can make with Peyton. Fox had done a great job of building a good defense and good oline with some skill position players, but had to work through tebow. Once they had Peyton, everything else looked better. Jimmy is not Peyton, but the jump from cutler to bonafide starter would make an exceptional difference. Fox will know that better than anyone.

As for the secondary trades, it's how I imagine it will work out if we ended up with a top 5 pick. Trading down 3 times for teams desperate to find a qb (trubisky at 3, kizer at 9-10) and stay in the 17-24 spot to grab an impact defender. This is the type of draft that has so much meat in the top 120 picks, I am not even sure they would push picks back a year. They can find high end talent in the 3rd round that will fit needs and build the necessary core for Brady's last hurrah.

All that to say, I think the above example is our best case scenario, but probably with Hicks removed.

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The best case scenario relies mainly on the outcome of the "primary" trade and the favorable hypothesis of a bidding war resulting on the Bears stepping up and making the right offer (The Bears would be the most interested buyers for all the aforementioned reasons). I'm confident BB would be able to maximize the value of that primary "ransom" the way he feels the best and the most efficient, depending on his own draft board and his perceived value for the next two drafts vs. his long term needs

I still say jimmy will be traded to the browns.

AHoodieWorshipperInParis said:

The best case scenario relies mainly on the outcome of the "primary" trade and the favorable hypothesis of a bidding war resulting on the Bears stepping up and making the right offer (The Bears would be the most interested buyers for all the aforementioned reasons). I'm confident BB would be able to maximize the value of that primary "ransom" the way he feels the best and the most efficient, depending on his own draft board and his perceived value for the next two drafts vs. his long term needs

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You can trust me. If Belichick has the chance at Jonathan Allen, he's pulling the trigger, and not trading back.

Allen checks off every check box in the "perfect Belichick player"

Im dreaming & wishing, as I'm sure Bill is too.