Aaron Rodgers overrated?

Joey007 said:

Tannehill? What? The guy hasn't even made the playoffs...


Tannehill? What? Huh? How?

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His stats are ok but when it comes to leadership and pressure hes a headcase

chasa said:

i disagree. The packers D gave rodgers 3 or 4 chances from turn overs at the start of the game, and all rodgers walked away with are field goals. thats not the GB Defense's fault, they played lights out in the first half and the offense were 3 downs and a field goal. Hard to stay motivated when your offense can't get it done.

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They came out of it with 16 points. One of those turnovers was a ST turnover as well. The only two throws that you can really fault Rodgers for were the go route that got intercepted by Sherman (and even that one is hard to fault him for since Rodgers had single coverage on that route and everything underneath was double teamed) and the throw to Nelson on the out in the end zone that he flat out missed. The other scoring opportunity they had saw three straight runs... all stuffed. Further, even with Wilson having the worst game of his career throughout most of that game, they still allowed 28 points. He played well enough to have them win the game had Bostick not botched the onside punt and had the defense not allowed a big play in overtime for the win.

Career Stats

Brady: 58,028, 63.6%, 428/150
Rodgers: 32,399, 65.1%, 257/65
Manning: 71,940, 65.3%, 539/251
Brees: 60,903, 66.4%, 428/205

Playoffs:
Brady: 7,957, 62.4%, 56/28
Rodgers: 3,454, 63.8%, 27/8
Manning: 7,339, 63.2%, 40/25
Brees:3,539, 65.9%, 24/6

What stands out is that Brady and Rodgers take care of the ball and are putting up ridiculous numbers in cold weather outdoor stadiums.

robertweathers said:

His stats are ok but when it comes to leadership and pressure hes a headcase

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I don't know if I'd even put him in the top half of QB's in the league, let alone he top 6.

Joey007 said:

I don't know if I'd even put him in the top half of QB's in the league, let alone he top 6.

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That's ridiculous.


Actually he was right, I thought he meant Rodgers. My mistake.

KontradictioN said:

They came out of it with 16 points. One of those turnovers was a ST turnover as well. The only two throws that you can really fault Rodgers for were the go route that got intercepted by Sherman (and even that one is hard to fault him for since Rodgers had single coverage on that route and everything underneath was double teamed) and the throw to Nelson on the out in the end zone that he flat out missed. The other scoring opportunity they had saw three straight runs... all stuffed. Further, even with Wilson having the worst game of his career throughout most of that game, they still allowed 28 points. He played well enough to have them win the game had Bostick not botched the onside punt and had the defense not allowed a big play in overtime for the win.

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Threw a terrible gift INT right to Maxwell at the SEA 26.

Also the GB defense played elite shutdown for 3 quarters and only allowed 130 yards through those 3 quarters.

Rodgers should have put Seattle away.

As for him playing well enough to win. He scored 1 TD in that game. In this NFL when your defense/ST turns the other team over 5 times and has a return that sets you up in and you score 1 TD and you're supposedly the greatest QB you definitely deserve a slice of the blame pie.

Joey007 said:

I don't know if I'd even put him in the top half of QB's in the league, let alone he top 6.

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Hes somewhere between 15-20 maybe. Hes still young. Hes more seasoning.

Ivan said:

That's ridiculous.

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Not in order just off top of my head:
Brady
Rogers
Big Ben
Brees
Wilson
Newton
Palmer
Romo
Manning
Flacco
Dalton
Rivers
Carr (a bit bold but already made a pro bowl)
A. Smith
Stafford (at least has taken his team to the playoffs)
Ryan

I'll even be ready to put Bortles, Winston, and a healthy Mariota, maybe even Bridgewater, over Tannehill.

Joey007 said:

Not in order just off top of my head:
Brady
Rogers
Big Ben
Brees
Wilson
Newton
Palmer
Romo
Manning
Flacco
Dalton
Rivers
Carr (a bit bold but already made a pro bowl)
A. Smith
Stafford (at least has taken his team to the playoffs)
Ryan

I'll even be ready to put Bortles, Winston, and a healthy Mariota, maybe even Bridgewater, over Tannehill.

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My apology Joey, I read that while I was busy and didn't realize the discussion had shifted to Tannehill, I thought you were saying that Rodgers was barely a top 15 QB and that's what I was responding to.

Joey007 said:

Not in order just off top of my head:
Brady
Rogers
Big Ben
Brees
Wilson
Newton
Palmer
Romo
Manning
Flacco
Dalton
Rivers
Carr (a bit bold but already made a pro bowl)
A. Smith
Stafford (at least has taken his team to the playoffs)
Ryan

I'll even be ready to put Bortles, Winston, and a healthy Mariota, maybe even Bridgewater, over Tannehill.

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Yep, that list is pretty close to how I would rank most of them.

Ivan said:

Yep, that list is pretty close to how I would rank most of them.

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I see, thank you for clarifying. And yes, not putting Rodgers in the top 6 would be insane.

Joey007 said:

I see, thank you for clarifying. And yes, not putting Rodgers in the top 6 would be insane.

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I should have taken more time but responded hastily, I should have known you weren't referring to Rodgers.

JMC00 said:

Threw a terrible gift INT right to Maxwell at the SEA 26.

Also the GB defense played elite shutdown for 3 quarters and only allowed 130 yards through those 3 quarters.

Rodgers should have put Seattle away.

As for him playing well enough to win. He scored 1 TD in that game. In this NFL when your defense/ST turns the other team over 5 times and has a return that sets you up in and you score 1 TD and you're supposedly the greatest QB you definitely deserve a slice of the blame pie.

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Why focus on one game? Particularly an away game in one of the most difficult places to play in NFL history and against a historically great defense? Overall, Rodgers's postseason stats compare favorably to Brady's. We all know Brady has had some spectacular playoff failures, and those came at home, against lesser teams than SEA. Looking at the whole body of work, these are undoubtedly the two best of their era. Rodgers, not Manning, is Brady's only real competition. And if I need one drive, I still give he edge to Brady.

completely overrated. a media creation, ive never seen someone get overhyped based on 1 playoff run 7 years ago.


win another SB then come back to me!

I'm more interested in learning about the rift between Jordan and Aaron. Anyone got an inside scoop on that?






Oh and yes, Rodgers is overrated. He is physically gifted though.

Joey007 said:

I don't know if I'd even put him in the top half of QB's in the league, let alone he top 6.

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Tannenhill is not in the top 20. He'll be a backup by the end of the next year

JMC00 said:

Threw a terrible gift INT right to Maxwell at the SEA 26.

Also the GB defense played elite shutdown for 3 quarters and only allowed 130 yards through those 3 quarters.

Rodgers should have put Seattle away.

As for him playing well enough to win. He scored 1 TD in that game. In this NFL when your defense/ST turns the other team over 5 times and has a return that sets you up in and you score 1 TD and you're supposedly the greatest QB you definitely deserve a slice of the blame pie.

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No doubt. They left a few opportunities on the field. But to blame Rodgers entirely for that loss is insane. And they didn't play "elite shutdown defense". Wilson was laying a complete egg until he woke up late in the game. The INT's he was tossing for the most part were unforced and were simply awful decisions which contributed to the low yardage amount. Anytime you're gifted that many turnovers and still allow 28 points, that's not "elite, shutdown defense".

TommyBrady12 said:

Rodgers has never had the coaching

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Bill Belichick disagrees.

KontradictioN said:

The only two throws that you can really fault Rodgers for were the go route that got intercepted by Sherman (and even that one is hard to fault him for since Rodgers had single coverage on that route and everything underneath was double teamed) and the throw to Nelson on the out in the end zone that he flat out missed.

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He only threw that pass because he thought the Seahawks were offside.

I think it's funny when all the shallow sports analysts say "The way to beat the Patriots is to get pressure on Brady". Or when the Patriots lose and they say "did this team just establish a blueprint about how to beat the Patriots (by getting to Brady?)".

Then you watch some of Aaron Rodgers's games where he has no O-line and is scrambling everywhere and making poor throws, or just getting sacked or hurried, and goes 3 and out, and the Packers lose. Hey guess what, turns out that the best way to beat the Packers is to get pressure on Rodgers! Who knew? Sure he can scramble for a first down occasionally but obviously he is much less effective.

Turns out that even really mobile QBs are less effective when they are under pressure, not just Brady. So all of those terrible analysts can go shove their blueprints in a dark place.

signbabybrady said:

Rodgers is slightly over rated but still great.

Cam is greatly over rated but still pretty good. Have to see what he does now that he's lived up to his hype.

Brady is still somehow under rated. I don't think many outside New England realize just how amazing he really is.

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It's a guarantee that opposing players, coaches and fans have learned how amazing Brady is. He has brought the Pats back from many games against many teams in the biggest of situations. The proof has been right in front of their eyes for 15 years.