Integrity alert thread

RayClay said:

Goodell: 'I'd Definitely Let My Son Ruin Football'

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It's so quotable..

IllegalContact said:

Brady's decision to not continue in court along with the NFLPA continuing the fight can set up an interesting scenario further down the road.........any court rendering that finds any fault with Goodell's handling of Deflategate can swing wide open a door for Brady's defamation lawsuit which has the potential for punitive damages that will make what Goodell handed Brady and the Pats seem like chump change.

The fact that Goodell may have gotten his way as commissioner does not absolve him from the potentials of a civil proceeding against him.

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But it is Brady's case that is continuing. Effectively all Brady did was tell them to not ask for a stay. The NFLPA can't go to the Supreme court without a case to appeal, so actually Brady has not decided to not continue in court, but only to not request a stay to delay the suspension.

A major road block to a defamation case is that Goodell made a judgment that he has the authority to make. This is where Vilma lost his case. With Vilma, they ruled Goodell couldn't personally be held responsible for what he did in his duties as commissioner. Having the authority to make a decision but making a stupid one doesn't fit the criteria for defamation.

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If it’s true that NFL security did not share the PSI measurements with officials, it would go against the league’s own game ball procedures outlined on NFL.com. One section reads: “All game ball information will be recorded on the Referee’s Report, which must be submitted to the League office by noon on the day following the game.” Referees are also designated as the officials in charge of approving footballs for use in games.

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Blandino: NFL Security Withheld PSI Measurements From Officials

AndyJohnson said:

A major road block to a defamation case is that Goodell made a judgment that he has the authority to make. This is where Vilma lost his case. With Vilma, they ruled Goodell couldn't personally be held responsible for what he did in his duties as commissioner. Having the authority to make a decision but making a stupid one doesn't fit the criteria for defamation.

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The problem is that he said things that are not merely a question of judgment, but a matter of clearly incorrect "fact." He literally put words in Brady's mouth, and then used those fabricated words to call Brady a liar.

ctpatsfan77 said:

The problem is that he said things that are not merely a question of judgment, but a matter of clearly incorrect "fact." He literally put words in Brady's mouth, and then used those fabricated words to call Brady a liar.

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I get that, and its wrong, but as far as a defamation suit, he can easily claim he misunderstood the testimony, and was just doing his job. It is a huge uphill battle to win a defamation suit under these circumstances.

Goodell and his cadre of orcs at the Park Avenue office are nothing more or less than mendacious miscreants doing the bidding for the Plutocrats of the 32.

Any time spent trying to understand their feeble streams of cognitive syntax is merely a waste of precious brain cells for all of us.

Froob said:

Un-****ing real. So why wasn't Rodgers investigated for doing it the same season?

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Because Rodgers is not the issue. Brady is the issue. Brady wins too much. That is the reason he is the issue. Rodgers does not win too much. He wins just enough not to be an issue. Brady's success is the issue.
So all the other owners do not have enough tissue so Brady needs to be an issue!

sometimes the truth doesn't get you anywhere at all

AndyJohnson said:

But it is Brady's case that is continuing. Effectively all Brady did was tell them to not ask for a stay. The NFLPA can't go to the Supreme court without a case to appeal, so actually Brady has not decided to not continue in court, but only to not request a stay to delay the suspension.

A major road block to a defamation case is that Goodell made a judgment that he has the authority to make. This is where Vilma lost his case. With Vilma, they ruled Goodell couldn't personally be held responsible for what he did in his duties as commissioner. Having the authority to make a decision but making a stupid one doesn't fit the criteria for defamation.

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whether or not someone is defamed is a separate issue from the CBA, no?

in the case of Vilma, there was a lack of a statement that said "We have no direct evidence of wrongdoing"

now based on the CBA, Goodell may have the authority to penalize Brady as it pertains to activity within the NFL, but there is no standing for that when it pertains to anything outside of the NFL......slander is still slander

I know the primary goal of the NFLPA is to fight Goodell's power, and it is still slow time of year.......just throwing **** against walls to see what sticks

IllegalContact said:

whether or not someone is defamed is a separate issue from the CBA, no?

in the case of Vilma, there was a lack of a statement that said "We have no direct evidence of wrongdoing"

now based on the CBA, Goodell may have the authority to penalize Brady as it pertains to activity within the NFL, but there is no standing for that when it pertains to anything outside of the NFL......slander is still slander

I know the primary goal of the NFLPA is to fight Goodell's power, and it is still slow time of year.......just throwing **** against walls to see what sticks

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I'm not 100% fresh on the details of vilma but essentially it said hidden cannot be personally sued for defamation for actions he did as part of his job and the CBA says players can't sue the league.

rexxar said:

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Blandino: NFL Security Withheld PSI Measurements From Officials

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This is another thing that proves the NFL's agenda against Brady, and how the general fandom (outside New England) doesn't care that he was railroaded.

Anyone who is genuinely, truly interested in determining whether or not Brady is guilty or innocent (which should, but doesn't, include the league office) should want to see the numbers.

Latest from Goodell on this matter:

What matters are the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect. And we need to pass those lessons on to the many generations to follow. Because we want our children in this nation to know that the only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.

AndyJohnson said:

I'm not 100% fresh on the details of villa but essentially it said hidden cannot be personally sued for defamation for actions he did as part of his job and the CBA says players can't sue the league.

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you're likely correct......I don't see that path happening anyway

time for football

betterthanthealternative said:

Latest from Goodell on this matter:

What matters are the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect. And we need to pass those lessons on to the many generations to follow. Because we want our children in this nation to know that the only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.

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that's so funny coming from him.......talk about a dude who someday is going to come crashing down.......book it

AndyJohnson said:

I get that, and its wrong, but as far as a defamation suit, he can easily claim he misunderstood the testimony, and was just doing his job. It is a huge uphill battle to win a defamation suit under these circumstances.

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He doesn't have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, though. It's a civil case.

"Integrity*"...uh...is that something like "bigfoot" or "unicorn"?

Why Roger Goodell, not Tom Brady, is Deflategate’s real loser

Froob said:

Un-****ing real. So why wasn't Rodgers investigated for doing it the same season?

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Because the Packers aren't the Pats.

ctpatsfan77 said:

He doesn't have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, though. It's a civil case.

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He has to have the case be allowed to be heard.

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Boston Globe sports columnist Dan Shaughnessy concluded: "Bottom line: The Patriots were doing it. They had a system of deflating footballs after the balls were inspected by officials. Any agenda-less person who reads the Wells Report would come away with no other conclusion. The texts were unexplainable."

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