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Good post.

Let's say, to take this to an extreme, that Kraft is the best NFL* owner.

And the best NFL* owner behaves like a DB in the judgment of his fans, when push comes to shove.

Since he is the best in the business, and he behaved the way he did, isn't it possible that NFL* owners are at best a necessary evil (notwithstanding the example of the Green Bay experiment)?

It's turned my opinion of owners, or more like opened my eyes, with Kraft being an exemplar of the class. They have an owner's meeting every year. They're business partners. They're not competitors.

They're the guys on that old Star Trek episode saying "Four hundred quadroons on the newcomers!"

They hire young guys (and their old coaches). They have them run into each other until their brains turn to jelly. They market to a tribal warfare need in our psyches. We buy it. We buy "our" colors and we recite the history of "our" team.

The NFL* - a group of 32 wealthy individuals, and their employees - is a business that both perpetuates and fills this need. Football and its constituent brands are the product. We're the consumers. And since I bought into pro football when I was a little kid, I couldn't get my head out of it if I tried. Powerful stuff.

But bottom line: I don't care much about Kraft personally.

We're consumers of a product and we like to forget that. This whole Kraft-hating thing is more convenient than remembering it.

Maybe he coulda woulda shoulda stood up against the league from day one - in fact, that's what he said, after the fact.

I guess the ultimate would be a great owner in terms of handling the business, combined with a combative owner on behalf of his fans. Do we think that arrangement lasts? Maybe. I guess Al Davis comes to mind. But one Al Davis was more than enough for the NFL*.

How do you get at what the real problem is? I guess we can opt out by not consuming the product. Throw out your gear, don't go to games, watch the Discovery Channel on Sundays in the fall, forget you ever heard of the Patriots. Because the moment you give a crap about his product you're lining Kraft's pockets and those of the League*. Truthfully I don't think salvation was ever coming from Kraft - or would from any other present-era owner.

He does everything he can to stoke demand for his product, and the product of the League* in general. But in the end (for a dyed in the wool fan like me) the demand is inelastic... I'm in.

To us, the Patriots are "our" team. Financially, the Patriots are Kraft's team. Our belief that they are "ours" is the only reason that you can make money from owning them... but that doesn't make them ours. We're playing make-believe and that's the whole point. It's an escapist loyalty.

So like I said the easiest thing to do is hate on Kraft. I'm more disillusioned/disappointed in a crooked league, and a little bit amazed at myself that I'd think "my" team owner would be different.

No he wouldn't. None of them would. And even if they would, if whoever owns Tampa made some principled stand, that wouldn't make one of us reward him with our loyalty.

The product is the team, not the owner. The owner just benefits from our brand loyalty.

I think he's good at his job. I used to also think he was some sort of great guy, no real reason actually. Just because he was "our" team owner. Now I think he's what he is, the guy who owns the team, that's all.

He has a job, he seems to do it pretty well from a financial perspective - which is how he's judged in his world. But he's also done it well from a fan perspective. We reward him through the medium of the Patriots. He could give two shlitz if we don't personally adore him.

So anybody here turning off your TV this year? Quitting Patsfans? I'm not.

All of this pays Kraft, and Goodell for that matter. Even our *****ing and moaning on a bulletin board. No fans, no game.


As a Bostonian, Massachusettsite, I see it this way: Krafts job is to enhance the attractiveness of living in this area by putting on the field as highly a competitive product as he, the owner, can, and as consistently as possible. He has done that in spades. The only other person in the history of Boston sports who did what Kraft has done is Red Auerbach. How Kraft acted during this episode is totally irrelevant to me as a local consumer, and life long professional football fan. Football, from the athletes perspective is a game of reaction, be like a player, watch the game and react, the rest is just overly busy work for your mind. Ignore it.
 
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As a Bostonian, Massachusettsite, I see it this way: Krafts job is to enhance the attractiveness of living in this area by putting on the field as highly a competitive product as he, the owner, can, and as consistently as possible. He has done that in spades. The only other person in the history of Boston sports who did what Kraft has done is Red Auerbach. How Kraft acted during this episode is totally irrelevant to me as a local consumer, and life long professional football fan. Football, from the athletes perspective is a game of reaction, be like a player, watch the game and react, the rest is just overly busy work for your mind. Ignore it.
Can't.

And comparing Red Auerbach who was not an owner of a sports team is a mistake. You compare Auerbach to BB. If Kraft didn't twaddle publicly and squeeze Goodell's ass on those mega-hugs for the media, I too could a give rat's ass about the Patriot fan turned billionaire owner. It would be all thumbs up and smiles.
 
Can't.

And comparing Red Auerbach who was not an owner of a sports team is a mistake. You compare Auerbach to BB. If Kraft didn't twaddle publicly and squeeze Goodell's ass on those mega-hugs for the media, I too could a give rat's ass about the Patriot fan turned billionaire owner. It would be all thumbs up and smiles.

You live by too many self imposed rules.

Edit to add: BTW, no Auerbach, no Celtics as we knew them and he was hiring coaches, and overseeing championships, long after he left coaching.

No Kraft, no Patriots as we know them. Three coaches during his tenor as owner. All three have taken teams to a Super Bowl. That's no accident even though he inherited the first one.
 
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Lots of effort at parsing words, but stand by my contention that Mr. Kraft is a very good owner, and his admission and acceptance of the penalties of the NFL has nothing to do with what happened to #12..

Was listening to the radio yesterday and their question was whether or not the fans should demand an apology from Mr. Kraft.. WTF, that is now how this world works.. fans can demand what they want from him, but at the end of the day it will become more words and statements for those who need to do so to pick apart and decide that what is said could be different or said better...

Goodell has a great advantage here, his product will continue despite any number of faux pas on part or any number of faux pas on the parts of owners, coaches and players.. come late August there will be some words about this suspension nationally, but then the football world will get caught up in the NFL and the excitement it generates..

I still have difficulty understanding why this whole equipment issue became such a great deal, and still believe that Goodell's target was BB and not TB, but once he started his kangaroo court charade he realized he could not get BB so in an effort to destroy this dynasty he went after TB...
 
I still have difficulty understanding why this whole equipment issue became such a great deal, and still believe that Goodell's target was BB and not TB, but once he started his kangaroo court charade he realized he could not get BB so in an effort to destroy this dynasty he went after TB...

Winner winner chicken dinner. BB and more generally, the Patriots franchise. Anything that looks like the Pats must be guilty, because they've been penalized so heavily.

This, and the earlier camera thing, are outsized penalties being used as off-field leveling attempts. Pretty much like the plot of the original Rollerball, but the target's not just one player, it's a whole team. No one team can be that dominant.

Goodell's motivations...

1) JEST history?
2) The vision of "parity" whereby a team that puts together sustained excellence cannot be tolerated?
3) Personal animus?

2 seems most likely, as it's most tied into the idea of league* profits.

I don't want to get too deep into the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, but I can't see the thinking as divorced from the business side. I think he knows controversy is great for the league*. Drama is great for the league*. There might have been some fear that trumping up cameragate would turn off all fanbases.... but when he saw how it worked as a channel for the envy/hate in 31 out of 32 fanbases, the lightbulb went on.

The WWE model, with the Pats cast in the role of the Russian bad guy pro wrestler, is money. Drama sells.

It might also scratch the itch he still has as a JEST partisan.
 
Winner winner chicken dinner. BB and more generally, the Patriots franchise. Anything that looks like the Pats must be guilty, because they've been penalized so heavily.

This, and the earlier camera thing, are outsized penalties being used as off-field leveling attempts. Pretty much like the plot of the original Rollerball, but the target's not just one player, it's a whole team. No one team can be that dominant.

Goodell's motivations...

1) JEST history?
2) The vision of "parity" whereby a team that puts together sustained excellence cannot be tolerated?
3) Personal animus?

2 seems most likely, as it's most tied into the idea of league* profits.

I don't want to get too deep into the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, but I can't see the thinking as divorced from the business side. I think he knows controversy is great for the league*. Drama is great for the league*. There might have been some fear that trumping up cameragate would turn off all fanbases.... but when he saw how it worked as a channel for the envy/hate in 31 out of 32 fanbases, the lightbulb went on.

The WWE model, with the Pats cast in the role of the Russian bad guy pro wrestler, is money. Drama sells.

It might also scratch the itch he still has as a JEST partisan.

And that's where this whole thing belongs, in the funny pages.
 
I'll keep it short and sweet. What NFL owner would you rather have?

Pardon me if it's condescending to anticipate you... but the question's not whether you hate him. The question is who's better.

Or if you want to walk down memory lane, which former Patriots owner did better by the team? Sullivan? Kiam?
You're smarter than this. Therefore, I'd have to believe you're being deliberately obtuse here.
 
Lots of effort at parsing words, but stand by my contention that Mr. Kraft is a very good owner, and his admission and acceptance of the penalties of the NFL has nothing to do with what happened to #12..

Was listening to the radio yesterday and their question was whether or not the fans should demand an apology from Mr. Kraft.. WTF, that is now how this world works.. fans can demand what they want from him, but at the end of the day it will become more words and statements for those who need to do so to pick apart and decide that what is said could be different or said better...

Goodell has a great advantage here, his product will continue despite any number of faux pas on part or any number of faux pas on the parts of owners, coaches and players.. come late August there will be some words about this suspension nationally, but then the football world will get caught up in the NFL and the excitement it generates..

I still have difficulty understanding why this whole equipment issue became such a great deal, and still believe that Goodell's target was BB and not TB, but once he started his kangaroo court charade he realized he could not get BB so in an effort to destroy this dynasty he went after TB...
I agree with your statement that BB was the original target and Brady became the alternative. Please keep in mind that Goodell's war on the Pats is not over and I would not be surprised if BB is the next victim. I will also state for the record that prior to 2007, Kraft was a great owner. Since then he and his relationship with Goodell has been an unmitigated disaster for the team and its fans. He has been complicit in the destruction to the reputation of the team and its GOAT coach and QB through his craven subservience to the the POS and fellow owners. None of his meaningless PR protestations to the contrary, one picture of him smoozing with Goodell conveys his true feelings. If you want to applaud Kraft for making the Pats the whipping boy of the NFL feel free to do so, I don't share that opinion.
 
Agree with the above. They wanted BB and not TB. I will always believe that.

I think because BB has so much dirt on the league he threatened to expose them. They backed off.

They'll try again im sure.
Yup. And the public hugging will continue. It's hilarious...
 
You're smarter than this. Therefore, I'd have to believe you're being deliberately obtuse here.

Thank you, but I think your faith in me must be displaced. It's also possible that different people, even if they are both smart, have different points of view of the same events. Some would say especially if they are both smart.
 
Brady will serve his 4 game suspension, as the sole benefit we'll get a look at Garoppolo, life goes on, case closed.

Unless you're

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I'll keep it short and sweet. What NFL owner would you rather have?

Pardon me if it's condescending to anticipate you... but the question's not whether you hate him. The question is who's better.

Or if you want to walk down memory lane, which former Patriots owner did better by the team? Sullivan? Kiam?
PFV, you're haughtily judgmental toward people who have a legitimate gripe over how outrageously poorly Kraft has handled major crises under his watch. Your question "who would you rather have own the team" is completely irrelevant; we can't elect a new owner to replace him. But I'm willing to bet more than a couple current NFL owners would not have caved and capitulated to astounding injustices done their franchise and fan base like Bob did.

I don't "hate" Kraft but I sure as hell expected better of him in his handling of cameragate and framegate. As a longtime season ticket holder I'm justified feeling that way. At this stage I think Bob is a bit befuddled and have thought for a while now he should hand the reins over to Jonathan and ride off into the sunset with his beanpole bimbo.
 
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I. If you want to applaud Kraft for making the Pats the whipping boy of the NFL feel free to do so, I don't share that opinion.

That was never implied, and a rather narrow view of what I said..

I do not think that Kraft allowed this to happen, it happened and there is little he can do.. if you read most of these threads it seems to be as simple as if he said this or said that, it is far more complex, the NFLPA and by extension its players acquiesced its power to Goodell and his minions.. it will take much more than the utterance of a few words to resolve this issue.

There seems to be a need to blame someone, and imo Kraft is not the one to take responsibility for this.. the issue is a really crappy bargaining agreement, inow the players sold their soul for this loss of control. Kraft should not be the scapegoat for this charade..
 
I agree with your statement that BB was the original target and Brady became the alternative. Please keep in mind that Goodell's war on the Pats is not over and I would not be surprised if BB is the next victim. I will also state for the record that prior to 2007, Kraft was a great owner. Since then he and his relationship with Goodell has been an unmitigated disaster for the team and its fans. He has been complicit in the destruction to the reputation of the team and its GOAT coach and QB through his craven subservience to the the POS and fellow owners. None of his meaningless PR protestations to the contrary, one picture of him smoozing with Goodell conveys his true feelings. If you want to applaud Kraft for making the Pats the whipping boy of the NFL feel free to do so, I don't share that opinion.

As someone who does NOT hate Bob Kraft and USED TO BE very fond of the guy as we'd met him several times at Smithfield as he chatted up my wife :), what gets me the most wicked pissed and concerned is that Kraft has done nothing to prevent the 31 and the NYJFL front office from concocting yet another "infraction" to damage the Pats juggernaut, most likely aimed at BB. Were the league somehow able to get at BB, as a consequence all the Pats Lombardis would be totally discredited outside of Eastern New England (I'm eliminating most of CONN and parts of Western VT here). If readers think this is hyperbole, can anyone here say that they expected the owners and the league to spin an Ideal Gas Law event into losing a #1 and #4 draft pick & suspending the GOAT 4 games? Bob's response has been a couple fulminations conveniently timed to assuage rising fanbase anger. BFD.

What has Bobby "Kick Me! Kraft" done to prevent such machinations from happening yet again???
 
As someone who does NOT hate Bob Kraft and USED TO BE very fond of the guy as we'd met him several times at Smithfield as he chatted up my wife :), what gets me the most wicked pissed and concerned is that Kraft has done nothing to prevent the 31 and the NYJFL front office from concocting yet another "infraction" to damage the Pats juggernaut, most likely aimed at BB. Were the league somehow able to get at BB, as a consequence all the Pats Lombardis would be totally discredited outside of Eastern New England (I'm eliminating most of CONN and parts of Western VT here). If readers think this is hyperbole, can anyone here say that they expected the owners and the league to spin an Ideal Gas Law event into losing a #1 and #4 draft pick & suspending the GOAT 4 games? Bob's response has been a couple fulminations conveniently timed to assuage rising fanbase anger. BFD.

What has Bobby "Kick Me! Kraft" done to prevent such machinations from happening yet again???
Even when I believed contrary to most people the Pats would be punished for an equipment violation, the punishment assessed exceeded my most pessimistic thought. The most pathetic revelation of the whole incident is how little respect Kraft has among his peers. I can understand why Mara's and Rooney's teams get special treatment but even the idiot Woody Johnson is much more respected. Kraft must be like the towel boy in the locker room who mistakenly thinks he is part of the team when everyone is laughing behind his back. He doesn't realize that no amount of sucking up to Goodell will ever change that.
 
Thank you, but I think your faith in me must be displaced. It's also possible that different people, even if they are both smart, have different points of view of the same events. Some would say especially if they are both smart.
Well, for one, you're combining judgement for Kraft the owner for the product on the field (excellent) with how he's handled what's happened to his star quarterback and coach off the field (awful). For another, you're failing to weigh each individual situation on it's own merits. Both are illogical. Let me ask you: what are your thoughts on Roger Goodell as a commissioner?
 
all the Pats Lombardis would be totally discredited outside of Eastern New England

What I don't understand is who cares what they think "outside of Eastern New England"? We know what went into these Super Bowl seasons. We know what kind of dedication, at all levels, has gone into these past 15 plus years of excellence. NFL players know what the deal is, outside of the naturally bitter ones that are always going to hold grudges, and look for excuses. Coaches across the league stay up late trying to figure out ways to stop us. Many teams build their rosters with beating us in mind. Enjoy it. Everybody hated Red Auerbach too, and the Yankees, we hated the Canadians. Talk about cheating, the Canadians had a system going where they virtually got first pick of the litter in regards to top French Canadian-born players. We compete on a level playing field and win, that's what rubs other fans, and the league, the wrong way. Frankly, I relish wearing the black hat. It makes winning all the sweeter. The fact is all these Patriots haters are complimenting us, they're just too dumb to realize it.
 
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That was never implied, and a rather narrow view of what I said..

I do not think that Kraft allowed this to happen, it happened and there is little he can do.. if you read most of these threads it seems to be as simple as if he said this or said that, it is far more complex, the NFLPA and by extension its players acquiesced its power to Goodell and his minions.. it will take much more than the utterance of a few words to resolve this issue.

There seems to be a need to blame someone, and imo Kraft is not the one to take responsibility for this.. the issue is a really crappy bargaining agreement, inow the players sold their soul for this loss of control. Kraft should not be the scapegoat for this charade..
Perhaps you should give some credit to the man who left his wife's deathbed to facilitate the signing of the agreement. Ironic how the agreement was not abused when there were other commissioners. Then I do not recall Kraft praising them either after botching a case like the Ray Rice incident.
 
Good post.

Let's say, to take this to an extreme, that Kraft is the best NFL* owner.

And the best NFL* owner behaves like a DB in the judgment of his fans, when push comes to shove.

Since he is the best in the business, and he behaved the way he did, isn't it possible that NFL* owners are at best a necessary evil (notwithstanding the example of the Green Bay experiment)?

It's turned my opinion of owners, or more like opened my eyes, with Kraft being an exemplar of the class. They have an owner's meeting every year. They're business partners. They're not competitors.

They're the guys on that old Star Trek episode saying "Four hundred quadroons on the newcomers!"

They hire young guys (and their old coaches). They have them run into each other until their brains turn to jelly. They market to a tribal warfare need in our psyches. We buy it. We buy "our" colors and we recite the history of "our" team.

The NFL* - a group of 32 wealthy individuals, and their employees - is a business that both perpetuates and fills this need. Football and its constituent brands are the product. We're the consumers. And since I bought into pro football when I was a little kid, I couldn't get my head out of it if I tried. Powerful stuff.

But bottom line: I don't care much about Kraft personally.

We're consumers of a product and we like to forget that. This whole Kraft-hating thing is more convenient than remembering it.

Maybe he coulda woulda shoulda stood up against the league from day one - in fact, that's what he said, after the fact.

I guess the ultimate would be a great owner in terms of handling the business, combined with a combative owner on behalf of his fans. Do we think that arrangement lasts? Maybe. I guess Al Davis comes to mind. But one Al Davis was more than enough for the NFL*.

How do you get at what the real problem is? I guess we can opt out by not consuming the product. Throw out your gear, don't go to games, watch the Discovery Channel on Sundays in the fall, forget you ever heard of the Patriots. Because the moment you give a crap about his product you're lining Kraft's pockets and those of the League*. Truthfully I don't think salvation was ever coming from Kraft - or would from any other present-era owner.

He does everything he can to stoke demand for his product, and the product of the League* in general. But in the end (for a dyed in the wool fan like me) the demand is inelastic... I'm in.

To us, the Patriots are "our" team. Financially, the Patriots are Kraft's team. Our belief that they are "ours" is the only reason that you can make money from owning them... but that doesn't make them ours. We're playing make-believe and that's the whole point. It's an escapist loyalty.

So like I said the easiest thing to do is hate on Kraft. I'm more disillusioned/disappointed in a crooked league, and a little bit amazed at myself that I'd think "my" team owner would be different.

No he wouldn't. None of them would. And even if they would, if whoever owns Tampa made some principled stand, that wouldn't make one of us reward him with our loyalty.

The product is the team, not the owner. The owner just benefits from our brand loyalty.

I think he's good at his job. I used to also think he was some sort of great guy, no real reason actually. Just because he was "our" team owner. Now I think he's what he is, the guy who owns the team, that's all.

He has a job, he seems to do it pretty well from a financial perspective - which is how he's judged in his world. But he's also done it well from a fan perspective. We reward him through the medium of the Patriots. He could give two shlitz if we don't personally adore him.

So anybody here turning off your TV this year? Quitting Patsfans? I'm not.

All of this pays Kraft, and Goodell for that matter. Even our *****ing and moaning on a bulletin board. No fans, no game.

This has definetly opened my eyes to the utter scumbags NFL owners are. Before this I was cheering when the NFLPA was deemed the "losers" of the last CBA agreement. I thought the players wanted too much money and were making it unnecessarily hard to have a great product on the field. No more. Now I want the players to take the ****ty league for every penny they can. I want them to strike as long as they need to to get fair and reasonable third party arbitration. I hope the league gets some real compition like the AFL was back in the day so changes HAVE to be made to compete. I want an utter and complete landslide win for the players cuz F%#& those billionaire ***wipes all 32 of them.

I fully realize and understand I am pissing in the ocean here but it's realistically the most I can do. Since last May I have not watched a second of ESPN NFL network or gone on NFL.com. I used to be on the last two religiously for 1-4 hours a day. The other day I saw a cool patriot nick knack and picked it up put it in my basket. Then a min later shook my head and put it back. 2 years ago that would have been on my shelf and my 15$ in the NFL's wallet. No more. And never again unless there are sweeping changes so that this BS will never happen again. Like I said by myself this changes nothing, but if 1 million other New Englanders do the same thing? You never know.

I wish I could honestly say I will stop watching. Unlike in years past, having to work sundays, missing the game depressed me for the whole week and I would be updating NFL.com every 5 mins to get the scores. For the past year and I expect this year having to work while the game is on was more of a meh whatever. Deflategate and the corresponding witch hunt have ruined my enjoyment of the game. I have gone from supporting the Jersey to supporting the players. Its easy to say when Bill and Tom are done so am I....but being honest I want to see Gronk's career, I want to watch Butler, I am rooting for Collins and I know there will be more new intriguing players every year. So I will keep watching, but do my very very best to limit any money the league gets from me.
 
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