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Can't argue with that.I do think that Patriot fans have to do something to get it through Kraft head that we want Goodell gone and won't tolerate him coming to Gillete.
I think no one is more relieved than Kraft that this is over and he does not have to feign anger at the NFL office. Now he can go about smoozing with his real buddies,the POS and his fellow owners. Mark my words, Goodell and his wife will be up in Kraft's box with Kraft and his girlfriend before season's end.
 
I think no one is more relieved than Kraft that this is over and he does not have to feign anger at the NFL office. Now he can go about smoozing with his real buddies,the POS and his fellow owners. Mark my words, Goodell and his wife will be up in Kraft's box with Kraft and his girlfriend before season's end.


And nothing would register fan disgust better than a walkout of 60,000 people.
 
Bob Kraft must have no respect at all for the intelligence of his fans.

Doesn't he know that we know that he chose keeping his place among the Owners over supporting his Franchise QB and that we see that he's now trying to curry favor with fans whom he must regard as mentally challenged?

Yo, Bob, some of us went to the same B-School that you attended and we studied the same Cases you studied and we learned to recognize a phony self-serving Strategy when we see it.

Give it up, Bob.

You made your choices. You still have your wealth. You're still a big shot at the Owners' meetings. But, please, just don't patronize us on top of all of that.
 
Bob Kraft must have no respect at all for the intelligence of his fans.

Doesn't he know that we know that he chose keeping his place among the Owners over supporting his Franchise QB and that we see that he's now trying to curry favor with fans whom he must regard as mentally challenged?

Yo, Bob, some of us went to the same B-School that you attended and we studied the same Cases you studied and we learned to recognize a phony self-serving Strategy when we see it.

Give it up, Bob.

You made your choices. You still have your wealth. You're still a big shot at the Owners' meetings. But, please, just don't patronize us on top of all of that.
I think Kraft has deluded himself into believing that he is fooling the Pats fans by issuing the PR statements. Apparently he doesn't realize that newspaper photos of him smoozing with Goodell carry infinitely more weight. I however disagree that he is a big shot at the owners' meetings. If he really had any influence or respect, he wouldn't have to grovel to stay in the club.
 
You guys really really want Kraft to be a regular guy fan. He's not. He's a billionaire. I do like that he's continuing to contest the fairness of what's come down.

I do understand that you can get 20 little social media button pushes for saying "spineless gutless piece of sh**" a bunch of times. Don't really care.

I guess he could have flailed around and screamed a lot. I guess he could have joined the suit, essentially, against himself.

He is an NFL owner. Name the NFL owner you'd prefer over him.

Now that said, it doesn't mean that the opposite reaction makes any more sense, i.e., to say "That Bob Kraft sure does have the team's back! Boy howdy he told them! He is preparing for the ultimate battle of good versus evil!"

A long time ago he chose not to fight. He also continues to "pay lip service," as we say when we already hate a guy and he says something on our side. Or, he continues to express his private feelings, as a fan, while playing his role as an owner.

I don't really give a crap about his private feelings as a fan, though it's mildly positive that he really does crave championships, and he really does have a clue about how to run a franchise - including going after Belichick like a house on fire, even though he was some scrub mini-Parcell with a mediocre run in Cleveland to his credit, in popular opinion.

That doesn't make him the guy you want on the barstool next to you when you're wasted and screaming at the screen. Get another guy for that.

He's what he is, an NFL owner. I think he's a good one. But maybe some others have been more successful in their roles on behalf of their teams. Again I await the counterexample you guys can put up, you know, your model of a good NFL owner.

He. Is. Not. Your. Drinking. Buddy.

He. Is. Not. Tom Brady's. Wife.

He's an NFL owner. COULD he have done better w/the draft picks (and LESS importantly, 4 games of Brady's season?) If he acted immediately, MAYBE yes. He's admitted that not doing so was a mistake. So he's flawed even in owner standards.

But this dumbass rage as if you're talking about some fanboy or for that matter player is beyond me. His interest is his ownership interest.

Did you expect otherwise?

Do you go to your broker and ask for mutual funds that don't have any investments that could somehow link back to the Jets?

This is his investment not his hobby. He's done okay.

Thank your lucky stars that he sees the ROI as including, importantly, winning. I don't think all 32 actually care about that... and far fewer understand what you do to get that done

But maybe Snyder would work for you guys. Arthur Blank? Woody Johnson? Who do you guys want? Who would have been a MAN about it, tough guys?

Which NFL owner would you want for the last 15 years?
 
You guys really really want Kraft to be a regular guy fan. He's not. He's a billionaire. I do like that he's continuing to contest the fairness of what's come down.

I do understand that you can get 20 little social media button pushes for saying "spineless gutless piece of sh**" a bunch of times. Don't really care.

I guess he could have flailed around and screamed a lot. I guess he could have joined the suit, essentially, against himself.

He is an NFL owner. Name the NFL owner you'd prefer over him.

Now that said, it doesn't mean that the opposite reaction makes any more sense, i.e., to say "That Bob Kraft sure does have the team's back! Boy howdy he told them! He is preparing for the ultimate battle of good versus evil!"

A long time ago he chose not to fight. He also continues to "pay lip service," as we say when we already hate a guy and he says something on our side. Or, he continues to express his private feelings, as a fan, while playing his role as an owner.

I don't really give a crap about his private feelings as a fan, though it's mildly positive that he really does crave championships, and he really does have a clue about how to run a franchise - including going after Belichick like a house on fire, even though he was some scrub mini-Parcell with a mediocre run in Cleveland to his credit, in popular opinion.

That doesn't make him the guy you want on the barstool next to you when you're wasted and screaming at the screen. Get another guy for that.

He's what he is, an NFL owner. I think he's a good one. But maybe some others have been more successful in their roles on behalf of their teams. Again I await the counterexample you guys can put up, you know, your model of a good NFL owner.

He. Is. Not. Your. Drinking. Buddy.

He. Is. Not. Tom Brady's. Wife.

He's an NFL owner. COULD he have done better w/the draft picks (and LESS importantly, 4 games of Brady's season?) If he acted immediately, MAYBE yes. He's admitted that not doing so was a mistake. So he's flawed even in owner standards.

But this dumbass rage as if you're talking about some fanboy or for that matter player is beyond me. His interest is his ownership interest.

Did you expect otherwise?

Do you go to your broker and ask for mutual funds that don't have any investments that could somehow link back to the Jets?

This is his investment not his hobby. He's done okay.

Thank your lucky stars that he sees the ROI as including, importantly, winning. I don't think all 32 actually care about that... and far fewer understand what you do to get that done

But maybe Snyder would work for you guys. Arthur Blank? Woody Johnson? Who do you guys want? Who would have been a MAN about it, tough guys?

Which NFL owner would you want for the last 15 years?
I hear what you're saying and am certainly not in the "**** Kraft camp", but his hugging and laughing with Roger is a bad look. Every time I see a new pic of it, I think less of him.
 
Yeah with you there Galeb

Not easy on the eyes.
 
There was a reason they did not have a TB or BB, they were idiots..

How do you know how Kraft feels? I always thought he "fell on the sword" as a gesture of goodwill to Goodell so that he would back off on Brady.. it backfired. Most businessmen play both sides every day.. I bet in retrospect that he regrets accepting the penalty every day..

Without regard for what he did, it makes no difference for what happened to Brady.. they are mutually exclusive.


It was not falling on the sword. It was capitulating.

I don't hate Kraft and am not in the "Kraft should sell the team" boat but he did not stand up to Goodell rather he continues to hug and praise the butt head.

Not sure where "falling on the sword" thing comes into play.
 
I think Darryl is using "falling on his sword" in the slightly askew modern meaning... rather than meaning a stoic suicidal gesture, it's come to mean "backing off your position on something." For example, in a meeting, Darren might feel very strongly that Mr. Tate is wrong, and that the Morton's Salt account must move on from the little-girl-with-umbrella logo. Darren might have developed the "New" Morton's logo and his marketing guys might have developed metrics purporting to prove a 10% increase in sales if Mr. Tate agrees to replace the Morton's salt girl. But Mr. Tate asks Darren how he feels about being busted down to proofreader, after Darren passionately defends his position. Darren then smiles broadly and says "You know I don't think I fully understood the value of a beloved brand like the girl with the umbrella - you're right of course." Darren keeps his job.

In modern parlance, we'd say (inaccurately, given the phrase's provenance,) that Darren has "fallen on his sword."

So short form, I believe he's using the term "falling on your sword" as a synonym for capitulating - typically to avoid worse consequences (rather than using it to mean committing suicide either literally or figuratively).
 
whew...I'm glad that dissertation is done. About that sword...give it to me and I'll make sure the real culprit in this D-bag gate falls on it....from ten stories up on Park Avenue in NYC
 
You guys really really want Kraft to be a regular guy fan. He's not. He's a billionaire. I do like that he's continuing to contest the fairness of what's come down.

I do understand that you can get 20 little social media button pushes for saying "spineless gutless piece of sh**" a bunch of times. Don't really care.

I guess he could have flailed around and screamed a lot. I guess he could have joined the suit, essentially, against himself.

He is an NFL owner. Name the NFL owner you'd prefer over him.

Now that said, it doesn't mean that the opposite reaction makes any more sense, i.e., to say "That Bob Kraft sure does have the team's back! Boy howdy he told them! He is preparing for the ultimate battle of good versus evil!"

A long time ago he chose not to fight. He also continues to "pay lip service," as we say when we already hate a guy and he says something on our side. Or, he continues to express his private feelings, as a fan, while playing his role as an owner.

I don't really give a crap about his private feelings as a fan, though it's mildly positive that he really does crave championships, and he really does have a clue about how to run a franchise - including going after Belichick like a house on fire, even though he was some scrub mini-Parcell with a mediocre run in Cleveland to his credit, in popular opinion.

That doesn't make him the guy you want on the barstool next to you when you're wasted and screaming at the screen. Get another guy for that.

He's what he is, an NFL owner. I think he's a good one. But maybe some others have been more successful in their roles on behalf of their teams. Again I await the counterexample you guys can put up, you know, your model of a good NFL owner.

He. Is. Not. Your. Drinking. Buddy.

He. Is. Not. Tom Brady's. Wife.

He's an NFL owner. COULD he have done better w/the draft picks (and LESS importantly, 4 games of Brady's season?) If he acted immediately, MAYBE yes. He's admitted that not doing so was a mistake. So he's flawed even in owner standards.

But this dumbass rage as if you're talking about some fanboy or for that matter player is beyond me. His interest is his ownership interest.

Did you expect otherwise?

Do you go to your broker and ask for mutual funds that don't have any investments that could somehow link back to the Jets?

This is his investment not his hobby. He's done okay.

Thank your lucky stars that he sees the ROI as including, importantly, winning. I don't think all 32 actually care about that... and far fewer understand what you do to get that done

But maybe Snyder would work for you guys. Arthur Blank? Woody Johnson? Who do you guys want? Who would have been a MAN about it, tough guys?

Which NFL owner would you want for the last 15 years?
Well thought out and well expressed. Pretty much on the money.
 
Greedy little man.
 
You guys really really want Kraft to be a regular guy fan. He's not. He's a billionaire. I do like that he's continuing to contest the fairness of what's come down.

I do understand that you can get 20 little social media button pushes for saying "spineless gutless piece of sh**" a bunch of times. Don't really care.

I guess he could have flailed around and screamed a lot. I guess he could have joined the suit, essentially, against himself.

He is an NFL owner. Name the NFL owner you'd prefer over him.

Now that said, it doesn't mean that the opposite reaction makes any more sense, i.e., to say "That Bob Kraft sure does have the team's back! Boy howdy he told them! He is preparing for the ultimate battle of good versus evil!"

A long time ago he chose not to fight. He also continues to "pay lip service," as we say when we already hate a guy and he says something on our side. Or, he continues to express his private feelings, as a fan, while playing his role as an owner.

I don't really give a crap about his private feelings as a fan, though it's mildly positive that he really does crave championships, and he really does have a clue about how to run a franchise - including going after Belichick like a house on fire, even though he was some scrub mini-Parcell with a mediocre run in Cleveland to his credit, in popular opinion.

That doesn't make him the guy you want on the barstool next to you when you're wasted and screaming at the screen. Get another guy for that.

He's what he is, an NFL owner. I think he's a good one. But maybe some others have been more successful in their roles on behalf of their teams. Again I await the counterexample you guys can put up, you know, your model of a good NFL owner.

He. Is. Not. Your. Drinking. Buddy.

He. Is. Not. Tom Brady's. Wife.

He's an NFL owner. COULD he have done better w/the draft picks (and LESS importantly, 4 games of Brady's season?) If he acted immediately, MAYBE yes. He's admitted that not doing so was a mistake. So he's flawed even in owner standards.

But this dumbass rage as if you're talking about some fanboy or for that matter player is beyond me. His interest is his ownership interest.

Did you expect otherwise?

Do you go to your broker and ask for mutual funds that don't have any investments that could somehow link back to the Jets?

This is his investment not his hobby. He's done okay.

Thank your lucky stars that he sees the ROI as including, importantly, winning. I don't think all 32 actually care about that... and far fewer understand what you do to get that done

But maybe Snyder would work for you guys. Arthur Blank? Woody Johnson? Who do you guys want? Who would have been a MAN about it, tough guys?

Which NFL owner would you want for the last 15 years?
You said the exact same thing in post No. 46 of this thread in about as many (condescending) words, about three-fourths of which are worth skipping. Essentially: "Bob Kraft is a billionaire NFL owner, therefore he is absolved from comporting himself as a man of principle. We must acknowledge and accept that reality because we are just pinhead yahoos," blah, blah, blahbidy blah.

Bob saved the franchise from moving -- big mark in the plus column there. Otherwise from a fan standpoint, the only things separating him from most other NFL franchise owners are Hall of Famers BB and Brady. Brady fell into his lap. If you wish to anoint Bob as Great and Superior Owner because he employed some unusual contortions to snag BB, fine. Take BB out of the equation and I see little else recommending Kraft as special. To the contrary, he displayed the opposite of good judgment in grossly mishandling both cameragate and framegate at every level while crapping on the two men whose coattails he has ridden to fame and fortune.

The question isn't which other owner we'd prefer over Bob Kraft, the question is why Kraft hasn't lived up to his original promise of being a steward of the franchise who we can trust is working in the fans' best interests.
 
I think Darryl is using "falling on his sword" in the slightly askew modern meaning... rather than meaning a stoic suicidal gesture, it's come to mean "backing off your position on something." For example, in a meeting, Darren might feel very strongly that Mr. Tate is wrong, and that the Morton's Salt account must move on from the little-girl-with-umbrella logo. Darren might have developed the "New" Morton's logo and his marketing guys might have developed metrics purporting to prove a 10% increase in sales if Mr. Tate agrees to replace the Morton's salt girl. But Mr. Tate asks Darren how he feels about being busted down to proofreader, after Darren passionately defends his position. Darren then smiles broadly and says "You know I don't think I fully understood the value of a beloved brand like the girl with the umbrella - you're right of course." Darren keeps his job.

In modern parlance, we'd say (inaccurately, given the phrase's provenance,) that Darren has "fallen on his sword."

So short form, I believe he's using the term "falling on your sword" as a synonym for capitulating - typically to avoid worse consequences (rather than using it to mean committing suicide either literally or figuratively).

Falling on your sword - The expression is the Anglicized equivalent of hara-kiri - the Japanese samurai custom of committing suicide by disembowelment with a sword rather than face the dishonour of surrender. (Die with Honor) Fall on your sword - meaning and origin.

Capitulation - Shrink like a cowardly bastard to a megalomaniac who threatens those who helped build your empire. (Die like a coward)

That's my interpretation.

But please leave me alone. I'm just a poor little grammatically illiterate blue collar guy who has no choice but to live by my principles.

And the lint in my pocket.
 
whatever, dude, but you just said the same damn thing as I did. It's acquired a different meaning.

Evidently you're a prescriptivist. :)
 
You said the exact same thing in post No. 46 of this thread in about as many (condescending) words, about three-fourths of which are worth skipping. Essentially: "Bob Kraft is a billionaire NFL owner, therefore he is absolved from comporting himself as a man of principle. We must acknowledge and accept that reality because we are just pinhead yahoos," blah, blah, blahbidy blah.

Bob saved the franchise from moving -- big mark in the plus column there. Otherwise from a fan standpoint, the only things separating him from most other NFL franchise owners are Hall of Famers BB and Brady. Brady fell into his lap. If you wish to anoint Bob as Great and Superior Owner because he employed some unusual contortions to snag BB, fine. Take BB out of the equation and I see little else recommending Kraft as special. To the contrary, he displayed the opposite of good judgment in grossly mishandling both cameragate and framegate at every level while crapping on the two men whose coattails he has ridden to fame and fortune.

The question isn't which other owner we'd prefer over Bob Kraft, the question is why Kraft hasn't lived up to his original promise of being a steward of the franchise who we can trust is working in the fans' best interests.

I'll keep it short and sweet. What NFL owner would you rather have?

Pardon me if it's condescending to anticipate you... but the question's not whether you hate him. The question is who's better.

Or if you want to walk down memory lane, which former Patriots owner did better by the team? Sullivan? Kiam?
 
I'll keep it short and sweet. What NFL owner would you rather have?

Pardon me if it's condescending to anticipate you... but the question's not whether you hate him. The question is who's better.

Or if you want to walk down memory lane, which former Patriots owner did better by the team? Sullivan? Kiam?

The answer is no one. Kraft obviously loves the team, the area, and winning. He learned from some early growing pains to stay the F*%# out of the way after hiring the best in the business. From all accounts he has a great relationship with bill, the players, coaches, and tries to learn something from them everyday.

All of that said I am still EXTREMELY disappointed in him. Add everything he has ever done and his ledger is still in the black but only for all the good he did before bending over. I can forgive spygate as a learning experience as no one could have guessed Gotohell would punish jaywalking with the death penalty. Kraft has set the bar so high for his team that I expect more from all of them and that includes him. Would I expect the average owner to give up his seat at the table and potentially lose millions? No. He is not the average owner, before this I thought he was by far the best in the business. Because of that I expected him to be a man of principle, to have learned from spygate, to stand up and say this is wrong and I will fight it with everything I got for as long as I can. He did not do that and it is a stain on his record that will never be washed clean.

I do not have all the facts. I can't tell you what went down at the owner meetings. Is it possible that Kraft did the best he could in a ****ty situation? Yeah it's possible. That's not what it looks and feels like to me though. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall because I firmly honestly believe he decided money and being allowed at the big boy table was worth more to him then his franchise and all of the fans. I can never forgive him for that no matter how much other good things he has done. Fair? Eh I will let you decide but for me this has turned my opinion of him as a person, and as an owner very sour.
 
The answer is no one. Kraft obviously loves the team, the area, and winning. He learned from some early growing pains to stay the F*%# out of the way after hiring the best in the business. From all accounts he has a great relationship with bill, the players, coaches, and tries to learn something from them everyday.

All of that said I am still EXTREMELY disappointed in him. Add everything he has ever done and his ledger is still in the black but only for all the good he did before bending over. I can forgive spygate as a learning experience as no one could have guessed Gotohell would punish jaywalking with the death penalty. Kraft has set the bar so high for his team that I expect more from all of them and that includes him. Would I expect the average owner to give up his seat at the table and potentially lose millions? No. He is not the average owner, before this I thought he was by far the best in the business. Because of that I expected him to be a man of principle, to have learned from spygate, to stand up and say this is wrong and I will fight it with everything I got for as long as I can. He did not do that and it is a stain on his record that will never be washed clean.

I do not have all the facts. I can't tell you what went down at the owner meetings. Is it possible that Kraft did the best he could in a ****ty situation? Yeah it's possible. That's not what it looks and feels like to me though. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall because I firmly honestly believe he decided money and being allowed at the big boy table was worth more to him then his franchise and all of the fans. I can never forgive him for that no matter how much other good things he has done. Fair? Eh I will let you decide but for me this has turned my opinion of him as a person, and as an owner very sour.

Good post.

Let's say, to take this to an extreme, that Kraft is the best NFL* owner.

And the best NFL* owner behaves like a DB in the judgment of his fans, when push comes to shove.

Since he is the best in the business, and he behaved the way he did, isn't it possible that NFL* owners are at best a necessary evil (notwithstanding the example of the Green Bay experiment)?

It's turned my opinion of owners, or more like opened my eyes, with Kraft being an exemplar of the class. They have an owner's meeting every year. They're business partners. They're not competitors.

They're the guys on that old Star Trek episode saying "Four hundred quadroons on the newcomers!"

They hire young guys (and their old coaches). They have them run into each other until their brains turn to jelly. They market to a tribal warfare need in our psyches. We buy it. We buy "our" colors and we recite the history of "our" team.

The NFL* - a group of 32 wealthy individuals, and their employees - is a business that both perpetuates and fills this need. Football and its constituent brands are the product. We're the consumers. And since I bought into pro football when I was a little kid, I couldn't get my head out of it if I tried. Powerful stuff.

But bottom line: I don't care much about Kraft personally.

We're consumers of a product and we like to forget that. This whole Kraft-hating thing is more convenient than remembering it.

Maybe he coulda woulda shoulda stood up against the league from day one - in fact, that's what he said, after the fact.

I guess the ultimate would be a great owner in terms of handling the business, combined with a combative owner on behalf of his fans. Do we think that arrangement lasts? Maybe. I guess Al Davis comes to mind. But one Al Davis was more than enough for the NFL*.

How do you get at what the real problem is? I guess we can opt out by not consuming the product. Throw out your gear, don't go to games, watch the Discovery Channel on Sundays in the fall, forget you ever heard of the Patriots. Because the moment you give a crap about his product you're lining Kraft's pockets and those of the League*. Truthfully I don't think salvation was ever coming from Kraft - or would from any other present-era owner.

He does everything he can to stoke demand for his product, and the product of the League* in general. But in the end (for a dyed in the wool fan like me) the demand is inelastic... I'm in.

To us, the Patriots are "our" team. Financially, the Patriots are Kraft's team. Our belief that they are "ours" is the only reason that you can make money from owning them... but that doesn't make them ours. We're playing make-believe and that's the whole point. It's an escapist loyalty.

So like I said the easiest thing to do is hate on Kraft. I'm more disillusioned/disappointed in a crooked league, and a little bit amazed at myself that I'd think "my" team owner would be different.

No he wouldn't. None of them would. And even if they would, if whoever owns Tampa made some principled stand, that wouldn't make one of us reward him with our loyalty.

The product is the team, not the owner. The owner just benefits from our brand loyalty.

I think he's good at his job. I used to also think he was some sort of great guy, no real reason actually. Just because he was "our" team owner. Now I think he's what he is, the guy who owns the team, that's all.

He has a job, he seems to do it pretty well from a financial perspective - which is how he's judged in his world. But he's also done it well from a fan perspective. We reward him through the medium of the Patriots. He could give two shlitz if we don't personally adore him.

So anybody here turning off your TV this year? Quitting Patsfans? I'm not.

All of this pays Kraft, and Goodell for that matter. Even our *****ing and moaning on a bulletin board. No fans, no game.
 
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