PFT: Brady authorized NFLPA to appeal to Supreme Court

Froob · Jul 15, 2016

Not ovah yet?

JJC · Jul 15, 2016

This is very smart.

Now, it is no longer about Tom Brady, but about the circus created by the NFL.

Should the NFLPA succeed, Brady comes out looking like a Saint. Then, he is loaded for bear in the defamation suit.

Froob · Jul 15, 2016

Imagine if this cost him his job in an unlikely scenario, the NFL should owe him a lot of money.

Froob · Jul 15, 2016

JJC said:
This is very smart.

Now, it is no longer about Tom Brady, but about the circus created by the NFL.

Should the NFLPA succeed, Brady comes out looking like a Saint. Then, he is loaded for bear in the defamation suit.

I disagree, the general public is incredibly stupid. They'll still blame Brady.

JJC · Jul 15, 2016

Froob said:
I disagree, the general public is incredibly stupid. They'll still blame Brady.

You are probably correct, sadly.

Joker · Jul 15, 2016

wait...I AM the general public and I blame Roger ROTTENSCUMDELL ,the biggest SCUMBAG in America. With the incredible number of scumbags presently gracing American society, THAT'S saying something.

RelocatedPatFan · Jul 15, 2016

Joker said:
wait...I AM the general public and I blame Roger ROTTENSCUMDELL ,the biggest SCUMBAG in America. With the incredible number of scumbags presently gracing American society, THAT'S saying something.

Joker, you are in the general public, but you're not within 3 standard deviations of the mean.

Having said that, don't ever change.

XLIX · Jul 15, 2016

Froob said:
Imagine if this cost him his job in an unlikely scenario, the NFL should owe him a lot of money.

If the suspension is ultimately reversed after Brady serves it, someone owes him a quarter million. I think it would be ridiculously unfair to have the Patriots on the hook for that amount and honestly don't know what would happen.

Having said that, he would still get paid the rest of his deal so the league wouldn't owe him anything if he happened to lose his starting job (not that I think there is a chance of that happening).

Wordsmyth · Jul 15, 2016

Wicked smaht, Tommy. Wicked smaht.

jmt57 · Jul 15, 2016

I wanted to put this somewhere and wasn't sure where. Since this is a comment from PFT (I know, I know), I'll place it here.

For backdrop, there is someone in the comment section that keeps stating that the Ideal Gas Law is easily refuted. After multiple back and forths, Einstein finally got around to explaining why that is so.

Please enlighten us as to how it’s easily refuted.

While your at it let’s hear your argument against gravity and for the world indeed being flat.

Um, OK. Try to keep up son. The Ideal Gas Law only applies to Ideal gasses. Footballs are filled with atmosphere. Atmosphere is a mixture of gasses and not a Ideal gas. A mixture of GASSES are not a Ideal GAS. See the difference between single and plural? It’s really not that hard of a concept.

I'm not sure if this person is trolling or serious, but it may be the most hilarious football-related comment I have read since that guy here years ago who insisted that he knew more about football than other forum members since he was one of the highest rated Madden players in the country.

Sorry, not trying to hijack this thread.... but I had to share.

Kraft supports Brady, slams “flawed and biased” investigation

kbitboc · Jul 15, 2016

Does it make the Supreme Court less likely to accept the case since Brady is sitting out 4 games?

Also why is it taking so long for the Adrian Peterson's appeal to have a decision but so quick for the Brady appeal?

lurker1965 · Jul 15, 2016

There is a serious issue here. No, I'm not talking labor law, I'm talking 13th Amendment (slavery banned, if I got that right.)

If one can negotiate away a legal protection (a la article 46 nullifying labor law) why can't I sell my right to not be a slave?

Yes, I'm overstating it, but in 50 years from now this is potentially Dread Scott.

ausbacker · Jul 15, 2016

For the learned folk, would a move as such qualify for irreparable harm knowing Brady will forego 4 games and the accompanying wages?

XLIX · Jul 15, 2016

jmt57 said:
I wanted to put this somewhere and wasn't sure where. Since this is a comment from PFT (I know, I know), I'll place it here.

For backdrop, there is someone in the comment section that keeps stating that the Ideal Gas Law is easily refuted. After multiple back and forths, Einstein finally got around to explaining why that is so.

Um, OK. Try to keep up son. The Ideal Gas Law only applies to Ideal gasses. Footballs are filled with atmosphere. Atmosphere is a mixture of gasses and not a Ideal gas. A mixture of GASSES are not a Ideal GAS. See the difference between single and plural? It’s really not that hard of a concept.

I'm not sure if this person is trolling or serious, but it may be the most hilarious football-related comment I have read since that guy here years ago who insisted that he knew more about football than other forum members since he was one of the highest rated Madden players in the country.

Sorry, not trying to hijack this thread.... but I had to share.

Kraft supports Brady, slams “flawed and biased” investigation

I know nothing about physics so I did some googling to get a handle on what this guy was blabbering about. He's right to say that the atmosphere is not considered an "Ideal Gas." In fact, there is actually no such thing as an "Ideal Gas" because the term is defined as a hypothetical gas whose molecules do not interact with each other.

However, the IGL still applies to our situation because we are dealing with everyday gases at everyday temperatures in an everyday level of atmospheric pressure. Here are things I discovered which are legitimate limitations of the IGL:

1) The IGL calculations break down at pressures of 70 atmospheres of greater. The ball's pressure was less than 2 atmospheres.

2) The IGL calculations break down if the gas in the closed container actually starts to condense into a liquid though either (a) molecular attraction or (b) loss of kinetic energy. We just don't get there in this situation, but I wish we did because a sealed container would lose a tremendous amount of air pressure if the molecules actually started condensing.

3) There is actually something called THE REAL GAS LAW which attempts to compensate for various shortcomings of the Ideal Gas Law. I looked at the formula and did some research. It's true, different gases behave differently. A ball filled with hydrogen gas would not lose the same amount of pressure as a ball filled with nitrogen gas.

4) The IGL is perfectly fine at the pressures and gases we are using here. This is not an experiment trying to calculate the pressure of methane gas beneath the ocean floor.

5) If anything, given that our atmosphere is mostly nitrogen and oxygen and CO2, we have been underestimating the expected change of air pressure - but don't nobody get your hopes up. We're talking fractions of fractions of a percentage point.

SHOWTIME15 · Jul 15, 2016

ausbacker said:
For the learned folk, would a move as such qualify for irreparable harm knowing Brady will forego 4 games and the accompanying wages?

irreparable harm would not be a factor since it only applies when filing for an injunction or stay. brady gave that up. the only thing the NFLPA would be doing is filing for a writ of certiorari, which is a petition that literally asks the lower court to transfer the file to the Supreme Court for review. SCOTUS can take their sweet time issuing a yes or no decision as to whether to hear the case.

XLIX · Jul 15, 2016

ausbacker said:
For the learned folk, would a move as such qualify for irreparable harm knowing Brady will forego 4 games and the accompanying wages?

Losing wages is not considered "irreparable harm" because you can always get your money later.

Would missing 4 games be considered "irreparable harm" given what Brady does for a living? That's one of those questions whose answer that would vary from judge to judge.

Tony2046 · Jul 15, 2016

XLIX said:
I know nothing about physics so I did some googling to get a handle on what this guy was blabbering about. He's right to say that the atmosphere is not considered an "Ideal Gas." In fact, there is actually no such thing as an "Ideal Gas" because the term is defined as hypothetical a gas whose molecules do not interact with each other.

However, the IGL still applies to our situation because we are dealing with everyday gases at everyday temperatures in an everyday level of atmospheric pressure. Here are things I discovered which are legitimate limitations of the IGL:

1) The IGL calculations break down at pressures of 70 atmospheres of greater. The ball's pressure was less than 2 atmospheres.

2) The IGL calculations break down if the gas in the closed container actually starts to condense into a liquid though either (a) molecular attraction or (b) loss of kinetic energy. We just don't get there in this situation, but I wish we did because a sealed container would lose a tremendous amount of air pressure if the molecules actually started condensing.

3) There is actually something called THE REAL GAS LAW which attempts to compensate for various shortcomings of the Ideal Gas Law. I looked at the formula and did some research. It's true, different gases behave differently. A ball filled with hydrogen gas would not lose the same amount of pressure as a ball filled with nitrogen gas.

4) The IGL is perfectly fine at the pressures and gases we are using here. This is not an experiment trying to calculate the pressure of methane gas beneath the ocean floor.

5) If anything, given that our atmosphere is mostly nitrogen and oxygen and CO2, we have been underestimating the expected change of air pressure - but don't nobody get your hopes up. We're talking fractions of fractions of a percentage point.

Exactly. I've also read and posted at one time or another that there was some factors of condensation involved because the air used to inflate the footballs had some level of humidity. But as you state it would have been a matter of fractions.

Secondly, "the Genius" in question should recognize that it was also the IGL that Exponent used to conclude that it was "more probable than not" that something happened. So his argument, albeit false, could be used to argue the other way as well.

Joker · Jul 15, 2016

Nothing ever happened. There was NO deflation. There is NO ISSUE other than Roger Goodell and 345 Park Avenue riddled with ex-Jet executives.

See this --------------------------> It's a ****ing duck. OK? It's not more probable than not a goddamned unicorn it's a goddamned duck. Period.

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! · Jul 15, 2016

lurker1965 said:
There is a serious issue here. No, I'm not talking labor law, I'm talking 13th Amendment (slavery banned, if I got that right.)

If one can negotiate away a legal protection (a la article 46 nullifying labor law) why can't I sell my right to not be a slave?

Yes, I'm overstating it, but in 50 years from now this is potentially Dread Scott.

The players didn't negotiate away legal protection. The courts just failed them.

There were about a half dozen issues with how Rog handled this. Any of them should've been enough to throw out Rog's punishment. It's scary that the court decided that it's fine to punish an employee without any proof of wrongdoing, ignore the standard punishment for the charge, apply the punishment from a worse charge, lie multiple times about what happened and what was said, and uphold the punishment based on a new charge during arbitration.

The court is essential saying it's cool to punish an employee for stealing because you thought the were late and decided being late is "stealing time" despite there being no evidence of them being late and there being a standard punishment for being late. And then add in a bunch of other foolishness...

Ross12 · Jul 15, 2016

jmt57 said:
I wanted to put this somewhere and wasn't sure where. Since this is a comment from PFT (I know, I know), I'll place it here.

For backdrop, there is someone in the comment section that keeps stating that the Ideal Gas Law is easily refuted. After multiple back and forths, Einstein finally got around to explaining why that is so.

Um, OK. Try to keep up son. The Ideal Gas Law only applies to Ideal gasses. Footballs are filled with atmosphere. Atmosphere is a mixture of gasses and not a Ideal gas. A mixture of GASSES are not a Ideal GAS. See the difference between single and plural? It’s really not that hard of a concept.

I'm not sure if this person is trolling or serious, but it may be the most hilarious football-related comment I have read since that guy here years ago who insisted that he knew more about football than other forum members since he was one of the highest rated Madden players in the country.

Sorry, not trying to hijack this thread.... but I had to share.

Kraft supports Brady, slams “flawed and biased” investigation

If I'm understanding this correctly then this guy is basically saying "The IGL is not applicable because the footballs aren't filled with Ideal Gas, they're filled with AIR! Duh!"

Wtf? How stupid can you be?

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