Court denies Brady a re-hearing!!!

JetFan79 said:

Fitz is available.

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too bad they don't play the jests in the first four weeks

bruinator said:

I wish Brady would just give up and accept the penalty and get it over with already

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yeah, why can't he take it "like a man," right?

juny said:

too bad they don't play the jests in the first four weeks

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I dunno about you guys, but I'm pretty psyched the Jets/Pats games are at the end of the season. They're always good games and definitely wouldn't be as good w/o Brady.

Hell anything can happen throughout the season, but I'm thinking those two games near the end (weeks 12 and 16 I think) will determine the division.

JetFan79 said:

I dunno about you guys, but I'm pretty psyched the Jets/Pats games are at the end of the season. They're always good games and definitely wouldn't be as good w/o Brady.

Hell anything can happen throughout the season, but I'm thinking those two games near the end (weeks 12 and 16 I think) will determine the division.

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meh.....the jets and their fans both suck

JetFan79 said:

I dunno about you guys, but I'm pretty psyched the Jets/Pats games are at the end of the season. They're always good games and definitely wouldn't be as good w/o Brady.

Hell anything can happen throughout the season, but I'm thinking those two games near the end (weeks 12 and 16 I think) will determine the division.

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Those 2 games will determine your draft position in the top 10 and the Patriots seeding for the bye week

JetFan79 said:

I dunno about you guys, but I'm pretty psyched the Jets/Pats games are at the end of the season. They're always good games and definitely wouldn't be as good w/o Brady.

Hell anything can happen throughout the season, but I'm thinking those two games near the end (weeks 12 and 16 I think) will determine the division.

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haha wishful thinking, but you're allowed that in preseason

Some original and thoughtful remarks on deflategate here from Breer (first 15 mins), including cogent assertion of anti-Patriots bias regardless of guilt or innocence. Fanger (2nd 15 mins) reviews timing of SCOTUS process, including possibility of playoff time denial and suspension. Ross Tucker podcast:
http://podone.noxsolutions.com/launchpod/sportsusa/rosstuckerfootballpodcast/mp3/rt071416.mp3

jimnance said:

Btw- saw a couple quantum posts-but couldn't find the one where he said a SC stay almost guarantees they'll hear case. If I had, I never would have posted to begin with. I didn't have time to slog thru entire thread. But i glad i posted since now you've actually made me feel better about TBs situation. So correct me if I'm wrong- but if SC grants stay- that almost guarantees they decide to hear case- which will likely take until nov- and then obviously case won't be heard before SB. Sound right?

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I did not say that.

I said that if SCOTUS grants a stay there is a quite good chance that Brady will be able to play the entire 2016 season (including any playoffs) -- even if SCOTUS ultimately decides not to hear the case. This is because when you add up the time it can take for a petition to finally come before SCOTUS, and the time for the NFL to reply, and the time for SCOTUS to consider it after the NFL reply, there are many scenarios where that takes you to after the Superbowl.

But that's many, not all. Once can certainly come up with reasonable scenarios where SCOTUS denies the appeal in December, or January. Ick ick ick ick.

Now, if RBG/SCOTUS does grant a stay that definitionally does mean that there's a decent chance (no guarantee!) they'll agree to hear it, since two of the considerations that must be met for a stay to be granted are (IIRC) that there's a "reasonable probability" SCOTUS will agree to hear the case and a "fair probability" of victory on the merits.

I am just worried if the SCOTUS decides to not take the case in dec/jan , he may end up missing playoffs.

Mack Herron said:

Some original and thoughtful remarks on deflategate here from Breer (first 15 mins), including cogent assertion of anti-Patriots bias regardless of guilt or innocence. Fanger (2nd 15 mins) reviews timing of SCOTUS process, including possibility of playoff time denial and suspension. Ross Tucker podcast:
http://podone.noxsolutions.com/launchpod/sportsusa/rosstuckerfootballpodcast/mp3/rt071416.mp3

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That was interesting. Thanks.

What is frightening is that a decision to deny hearing the appeal could come after the AFCG and before the SB. A small chance but nevertheless a possibility.

QuantumMechanic said:

I did not say that.

I said that if SCOTUS grants a stay there is a quite good chance that Brady will be able to play the entire 2016 season (including any playoffs) -- even if SCOTUS ultimately decides not to hear the case. This is because when you add up the time it can take for a petition to finally come before SCOTUS, and the time for the NFL to reply, and the time for SCOTUS to consider it after the NFL reply, there are many scenarios where that takes you to after the Superbowl.

But that's many, not all. Once can certainly come up with reasonable scenarios where SCOTUS denies the appeal in December, or January. Ick ick ick ick.

Now, if RBG/SCOTUS does grant a stay that definitionally does mean that there's a decent chance (no guarantee!) they'll agree to hear it, since two of the considerations that must be met for a stay to be granted are (IIRC) that there's a "reasonable probability" SCOTUS will agree to hear the case and a "fair probability" of victory on the merits.

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Thanks for clearing that up quantum.

jimnance said:

IF Olson tells Tom his odds are not good of getting heard at SC-then he will sit.

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In my (painful) experience, lawyers rarely say, in effect, "stop giving me big piles of money to take this case further, since I don't think that I can win it"



They instead take all the money they can get, for as long as they can get it, and are convinced that they will always win even if outsiders think "no way" (unless it is truly frivolous and thus damaging)

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

In my (painful) experience, lawyers rarely say, in effect, "stop giving me big piles of money to take this case further, since I don't think that I can win it"

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I agree with this comment 100% and think it is one of the HUGE conflict-of-interests in the legal profession.

I don't really mean in the Brady case specifically because I do believe Olson has enough money and cache that he would indeed refuse an unwinnable case (or advise his client to stand down). But yeah, some regular Joe Lawyer with his own struggling private practice wants those billable hours and billable hours come from protracted conflict, not easy settlement.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

In my (painful) experience, lawyers rarely say, in effect, "stop giving me big piles of money to take this case further, since I don't think that I can win it"



They instead take all the money they can get, for as long as they can get it, and are convinced that they will always win even if outsiders think "no way" (unless it is truly frivolous and thus damaging)

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I think its all moot now- since if SC grants stay-then that means TB has a "better chance than not" of case being heard. Then I think TB doesn't sit. I agree with your take on lawyers- but dontvthink it applies in this case. Olson is no ambulance- chaser; and I believe he will give Tom an honest assessment of his chances- because the repercussions are so great.

George Atallah of the NFLPA was just on WEEI. For those of you that missed it, here are the highlights:

1) He refuses to comment on whether or not Brady and the union will go any further with this. He gave a standard "we need to get together and make a decision on the best way to proceed" response.

2) Having said that, he did say something like "thank you for having me on your show and I imagine once we've made our decision, I'll be back here again"

3) He talked about how Article 46 is nothing new in sports and in fact how it goes back to the Black Sox scandal. However, he pulled no punches in implying that it was never a problem until THIS commissioner started abusing it.

Tony2046 said:

That was interesting. Thanks.

What is frightening is that a decision to deny hearing the appeal could come after the AFCG and before the SB. A small chance but nevertheless a possibility.

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If that scenario should ever arise , a sane commissioner would say that the suspension would begin week 1 of the 2017 season.

That said, a sane commissioner would never have suspended him or docked us our 1st round pick and one of our 4th rounders next year in the first place.

If Brady ends up suspended for the playoffs that is simply the price of supporting him fully. I'll support him regardless?

Hammer of Thor said:

If that scenario should ever arise , a sane commissioner would say that the suspension would begin week 1 of the 2017 season.

That said, a sane commissioner would never have suspended him or docked us our 1st round pick and one of our 4th rounders next year in the first place.

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Goodell would impose it for the Super Bowl because he's a Super Douche.

Tony2046 said:

That was interesting. Thanks.

What is frightening is that a decision to deny hearing the appeal could come after the AFCG and before the SB. A small chance but nevertheless a possibility.

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The stakes are high, but we have already surrendered $1 million, a #1 draft pick, a #4 draft pick, (sunk costs) and now we are looking at losing the GOAT for 25% of the season at a known time, versus a potentially more important time, or possibly no games missed. Then you have the justice issue, Brady's reputation, etc. Gotta weigh these stakes against what is probably a very small risk. But, yeah, it is a complex calculus.

Dan patrick think that brady could drop this without admitting guilt and saying the SCOTUS has a lot of other things on their plate etc and might not fight this more and may get move kudos for that. But he says people have made up their mind about him regardless.