Court denies Brady a re-hearing!!!

Galeb · Jul 13, 2016

JJC said:
Sure, that would be the initial mechanism for dealing with a forfeiture. Can you grant that the league schedule, thus standings, and playoff games (sources of additional income to owners) are intricately dependent on there being an acceptable level of competition that is undermined by serial forfeiture of games?

If so, then it would be reasonable for the league (the collection of owners) to declare said team a rogue bad actor who systematically undermines the competitive structure of the season. I have to imagine that there is something in the ownership contract that states doing damage to the league in such a manner is grounds for having the franchise revoked.

If such a thing went to court, the league would be decimated. Look at teams who rest players at the end of the season. Does "Suck for Luck" ring a bell?

In such a case, I'm sure fierce negotiations would result after the first forfeiture. All that said, if Kraft did forfeit games, he would have to come up with some sort of plausible, albeit false, excuse.

Tony2046 · Jul 13, 2016

XLIX said:
The legal liability would be absolutely incalculable.

1) Kraft would have to reimburse all ticket holders for the 4 games not played
2) I can't imagine NBC would be terribly happy paying millions of dollars for a game which got cancelled. They'll want that money back too.
3) Needless to say, you still have to pay your players and coaches.
4) Even though they are still getting paid, the players themselves wouldn't go along with it. You think a player who is going to be a free agent after 2016 would be happy just missing 4 games in 2016?

Like I said, the suggestion is completely moronic on many, many levels.

It's never going to happen.

I think the initial post was simply made out of frustration with all that has happened. Simple as that.

Galeb · Jul 13, 2016

Tony2046 said:
It's never going to happen.

I think the initial post was simply made out of frustration with all that has happened. Simple as that.

I've already said it won't happen multiple times. I simply said I'd support it.

XLIX · Jul 13, 2016

moejr said:
The NFL would get a big amount of flak if the Pats forfeit. You don't think Goodell would cave. The other teams are tired of this Bs and want it done too. I believe they honestly would force Goodell to drop it or face ouster

The only people who would get flak if the Patriots forfeited is the Patriots.

Galeb · Jul 13, 2016

XLIX said:
The legal liability would be absolutely incalculable.

1) Kraft would have to reimburse all ticket holders for the 4 games not played
2) I can't imagine NBC would be terribly happy paying millions of dollars for a game which got cancelled. They'll want that money back too.
3) Needless to say, you still have to pay your players and coaches.
4) Even though they are still getting paid, the players themselves wouldn't go along with it. You think a player who is going to be a free agent after 2016 would be happy just missing 4 games in 2016?

Like I said, the suggestion is completely moronic on many, many levels.

The reasons you list are precisely why I would support such forfeitures. That said, given the track record of what you rate moronic, I will take that as a compliment.

XLIX · Jul 13, 2016

Galeb said:
I've already said it won't happen multiple times. I simply said I'd support it.

And all I am doing is explain to you why it would be a stupid thing to support.

The biggest way to respond to this is to win the Super Bowl. Forfeiting the first 4 games would make that virtually impossible.

Tony2046 · Jul 13, 2016

moejr said:
The NFL would get a big amount of flak if the Pats forfeit. You don't think Goodell would cave. The other teams are tired of this Bs and want it done too. I believe they honestly would force Goodell to drop it or face ouster

I like the sentiment but this is never going to happen. We can't even get Bob to stop hugging Goodell and you think he is going to forfeit a game?

moejr · Jul 13, 2016

Tony2046 said:
I like the sentiment but this is never going to happen. We can't even get Bob to stop hugging Goodell and you think he is going to forfeit a game?

One has hope. The NFL stands to lose more than the Pats if they do.

Tony2046 · Jul 13, 2016

Galeb said:
I've already said it won't happen multiple times. I simply said I'd support it.

It doesn't bother me Galeb.

Can we get Bob to stop hugging Goodell first? haha

Galeb · Jul 13, 2016

XLIX said:
And all I am doing is explain to you why it would be a stupid thing to support.

The biggest way to respond to this is to win the Super Bowl. Forfeiting the first 4 games would make that virtually impossible.

I agree that winning a superbowl is the best way to respond. The problem is, there is no guarantee to win it, just as there is no guarantee they'd lose if they started 0-4.

Keep calling me stupid, it's funny.

XLIX · Jul 13, 2016

moejr said:
One has hope. The NFL stands to lose more than the Pats if they do.

How so? The Patriots would be the ones legally liable for all the revenues lost as I described in one of my above posts.

And as much as I hate to say this, the unfortunate fact of the matter is that there is not widespread support across the general fandom for the Patriots and Brady. If the Patriots forfeit, people are going to criticize the Patriots, not the league.

Tony2046 · Jul 13, 2016

moejr said:
One has hope. The NFL stands to lose more than the Pats if they do.

I think getting any wins during the possible 4 games suspension puts Brady that much closer to getting another ring.

That would pump me up more than anything.

Do remember how much crap Brady and the Pats dealt with leading up to the SuperBowl? All the Deflategate crap? How good did that feel? I loved it.

That's my take.

Galeb · Jul 13, 2016

moejr said:
One has hope. The NFL stands to lose more than the Pats if they do.

I wouldn't say that. That said, when you go to war, you must be ready to lose it all. The NFL isn't prepared for that.

XLIX · Jul 13, 2016

Galeb said:
I agree that winning a superbowl is the best way to respond. The problem is, there is no guarantee to win it, just as there is no guarantee they'd lose if they started 0-4.

Keep calling me stupid.

OK:

You're stupid if you don't realize that the Patriots have a good chance to win the Super Bowl this year, but that good chance becomes 0% if they forfeit their first 4 games.

sb1 · Jul 13, 2016

I'm sure the owners of the teams not named the Patriots, Bills, Cardinals, Dolphins and Texans would be too happy to see four teams get 2 free points in the standings thanks to the Patriots pulling a stunt like that and they'd be willing to let it slide.

Kraft is already despised right now by many of his fellow owners... I bet they'll sure love him even more after that.

(/sarcasm)

Galeb · Jul 13, 2016

XLIX said:
OK:

You're stupid if you don't realize that the Patriots have a good chance to win the Super Bowl this year, but that good chance becomes 0% if they forfeit their first 4 games.

You might want to reread that post. The chance is nowhere near 0% if they lose the first 4 games. I'll give you this, you are entertaining.

moejr · Jul 13, 2016

XLIX said:
How so? The Patriots would be the ones legally liable for all the revenues lost as I described in one of my above posts.

And as much as I hate to say this, the unfortunate fact of the matter is that there is not widespread support across the general fandom for the Patriots and Brady. If the Patriots forfeit, people are going to criticize the Patriots, not the league.

NBC contracts the games through the NFL and they would have to pay it upfront and then fine the Pats. Doesn't mean Kraft can't withhold paying the fine. Also I said threaten to forfeit the season not the first 4 games. I know you disagree but I honestly think this tactic would work.

XLIX · Jul 13, 2016

sb1 said:
I'm sure the owners of the teams not named the Patriots, Bills, Cardinals, Dolphins and Texans would be too happy to see four teams get 2 free points in the standings thanks to the Patriots pulling a stunt like that and they'd be willing to let it slide.

Exactly. It's hilarious how ignorant and short sighted some people in this forum are to think that if the Patriots forfeited, then all we get is 4 2-0 losses and everyone goes on their merry ways.

moejr · Jul 13, 2016

sb1 said:
I'm sure the owners of the teams not named the Patriots, Bills, Cardinals, Dolphins and Texans would be too happy to see four teams get 2 free points in the standings thanks to the Patriots pulling a stunt like that and they'd be willing to let it slide.

Kraft is already despised right now by many of his fellow owners... I bet they'll sure love him even more after that.

(/sarcasm)

They wouldn't let it slide. I feel they would force Goodell to give it up or oust him.

Galeb · Jul 13, 2016

XLIX said:
Exactly. It's hilarious how ignorant and short sighted some people in this forum are to think that if the Patriots forfeited, then all we get is 4 2-0 losses and everyone goes on their merry ways.

No one suggested anything like that. It would get ugly. Real ugly. So besides saying it's impossible to win a superbowl with a 0-4 start, you're also putting words in my mouth. Too funny.

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