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This part of the article says everything one needs to hear.

"This is why continually adding provisions and amendments and footnotes to the rule only makes it harder to understand and easier to screw up. Ultimately, officials may have to make judgment calls".

I don't trust the zebras and I definately don't trust the NFL. Judgment calls can make or break a game.
 
You just know Goodell wrote that himself, which is good, because he's a highly talented individual and for something so integral to the game you want your most talented guy on it.
 
The rules get more obtuse in this litigious loving society of ours.. remember when??

If they are going to the level of specificity, why don't they put chips in the balls to determine the exact location of the ball on the sideline or endline??... they want to get everything right, but ignore obvious technology..
 
Not sure I have anything more insightful to add than what has already been said.

What I know for certain is this. To achieve consistency in anything, layering additional complexity to something already muddled creates more complexity. The whole thing is madness, IMO. Officials are scared to death of making a call on the field as the fear blowing the game, pissing players and the fans off and getting a bad grade from the Blandickhead. They try to help officials but are failing completely in the effort. They add additional verbiage which if I'm the official confuses me even more and makes me more skiddish. They need to make it simpler. Period.

IMO the additional language is useless. There is nothing that makes the catch/no catch action more finite or cut-n-dry.

IMO this what the rule needs to be and say (No big revelation here)
  • Receiver catches ball.
  • Receiver gets two feet down (steps sequential after each other or both simultaneously, who cares)
  • In order to be a catch, ball MUST be secure and not moving around in hand after 2nd foot or both hit(s) ground.
  • If 2nd foot is not down and/or ball is still unsecure and ball hits ground, its incomplete.
  • Any movement of ball after that completed event is a fumble.

For catches NOT involving feet....
  • Ball must be secure.
  • Ground cannot aid securing football
  • In either instance, if ball hits ground and become dislodged ball is ruled incomplete.

Certainly replays will still be needed. The game is so fast. This is where BB's rule which calls for every play be reviewed is brought in. Let the field determine that - not New York.

Not sure if folks agree but I think simple is better....
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I remember when I used to care about rules definitions and minutae. The NFL's arbitrary & capricious agenda driven behavior has cured me of this affliction.
"arbitrary and capricious agenda driven behavior" .....well that is one way to put it. I would prefer not to sugarcoat it and instead call it for what it is: fraudulent and dishonest dispensation of the NYJFL brand of industrial justice.
 
The rules get more obtuse in this litigious loving society of ours.. remember when??

If they are going to the level of specificity, why don't they put chips in the balls to determine the exact location of the ball on the sideline or endline??... they want to get everything right, but ignore obvious technology..

If anyone recalls, the idiot commissioner actually created a special committee to study what any 10 year old in Pop Warner could figure out.

You can't make this stuff up.

NFL Convenes Catch Rule Committee | NFL Football Operations

The six members of the group are Pro Football Hall of Fame general manager Bill Polian, former head coaches Ken Whisenhunt, Jim Schwartz and Joe Philbin, former receiver James Thrash and former side judge Tom Fincken.
They will discuss the rule with current and former players to try to identify a better solution, if one exists

They should hire a couple ten year olds and give them ice cream after they agree on the solution. should take five minutes
 
The rules get more obtuse in this litigious loving society of ours.. remember when??

If they are going to the level of specificity, why don't they put chips in the balls to determine the exact location of the ball on the sideline or endline??... they want to get everything right, but ignore obvious technology..

Where would they get the money for that?
 
Catch, control, take a beat, it's a catch. Don't have to take it to the ground or anything. If you have it long enough and hit the ground, it's a fumble.

My definition..

Sideline, 2 feet in control for a second, I don't care what happens when it hits the ground.

If you make a great catch and control the ball without juggling, why add all the silly football moves, control it all the way into the stands stuff? Control it, it's a catch. get popped, it's a fumble.
 
Jim Nance: "Lets ask our panel of lawyers if this is a catch or not??"
 
So how does one become a runner? Here’s how the rule describes it: “A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps.”

So, what about when a player catches the football, but gets tackled immediately but hasn't turned upfield or taken additional steps? Is that a completion or not?
 
So, what about when a player catches the football, but gets tackled immediately but hasn't turned upfield or taken additional steps? Is that a completion or not?

You said he catches the football. Question answered...it's a fumble.
 
You said he catches the football. Question answered...it's a fumble.

RayClay - Sorry, but that can't be the answer. First, we're talking about what stipulates a completion. According to the quote, the player making the catch has to become a runner for it to be a completed pass. And the quote stipulates what has to happen to be considered a runner.

However, in my scenario, the player making the catch doesn't become a runner because he's not capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact, tucking the ball, turning up field, or taking additional steps.

So, is it truly an incompletion?
 
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