Deandre Carter

n6249c said:

By that logic maybe you'd want your QB to be a guy who has thrown 30+ TDs a season for nine out of the past ten years, and won a Super Bowl in the other year? But despite that, Peyton Manning might not be the best choice...

In other words, Nate Washington has taken a lot of wear and tear. Does he still have enough left to even be competitive? And if he is, would you rather have a veteran on the downside of his career or a youngster whose arc is still going up?

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Was his 50 percent drop rate on hoyer and co or on him

n6249c said:

And if he is, would you rather have a veteran on the downside of his career or a youngster whose arc is still going up?

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Belichick's philosophy is to want to have the player on the 53 most likely to add to the likelihood of the winning this year.

There is always room on the team for 2-5 developmental players. However, when looking at the team that will get the reps this year, Belichick has OFTEN found room for old vets at the expense of young hopefuls, especially at the WR position. We all remember Morey and Childress. Carter has shown nowhere as much as either of these.

mgteich said:

Belichick's philosophy is to want to have the player on the 53 most likely to add to the likelihood of the winning this year.

There is always room on the team for 2-5 developmental players. However, when looking at the team that will get the reps this year, Belichick has OFTEN found room for old vets at the expense of young hopefuls, especially at the WR position. We all remember Morey and Childress. Carter has shown nowhere as much as either of these.

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Preseason says hi

It should be fun to watch him during the preseason and see how he performs. To say it's going to be an uphill battle for Carter to make the team would be an understatement, this position is really stacked this year, even if Amendola and Edleman start the year on PUP. Just too many guys.

ChrisR2223 said:

Was his 50 percent drop rate on hoyer and co or on him

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Statistics don't usually capture this dynamic very well but "drop" would imply the ball was catchable. If his drop rate is 50%, then his catch rate must be 50% or lower (50% would imply Hoyer never missed).

ashley1992 said:

It should be fun to watch him during the preseason and see how he performs. To say it's going to be an uphill battle for Carter to make the team would be an understatement, this position is really stacked this year, even if Amendola and Edleman start the year on PUP. Just too many guys.

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Agree, the numbers will be hard to overcome.

Just an observation from DeAndre Carter's highlight videos. He: has a small catch radius; not getting a lot of separation from the DB's; getting caught from behind when the ball is in his hands; turns his body to face the QB to locate the ball (not many catches on slants or over the shoulder); seems to catch the ball pretty well.

He must be doing something right to receive a high praise from Steve Smith SR and stick on the Patriot's practice squad.

mgteich said:

Belichick's philosophy is to want to have the player on the 53 most likely to add to the likelihood of the winning this year.

There is always room on the team for 2-5 developmental players. However, when looking at the team that will get the reps this year, Belichick has OFTEN found room for old vets at the expense of young hopefuls, especially at the WR position. We all remember Morey and Childress. Carter has shown nowhere as much as either of these.

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Agreed that Belichick will not sacrifice this year for the future. Equally he will not sacrifice the future, and he has shown no hesitancy to go with youngsters over vets, all else being equal. In fact it's pretty commonly accepted that he would rather cut an aging vet a year too early than hang on to them a year too long.

If something called DeAndre Carter is given actual consideration as a possibility for making the 53,
then our WR situation is not nearly as solid as some claim it to be, not by a long shot.

captain stone said:

If something called DeAndre Carter is given actual consideration as a possibility for making the 53,
then our WR situation is not nearly as solid as some claim it to be, not by a long shot.

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Absolutely. Edelman, Amendola, Hogan and Mitchell are all locks--so there's 4 right off the bat. We won't count Slater for an actual position in this exercise, so let's assume one more spot.

That last spot should be a battle between Washington, Dobson, and Martin.

Guys like Harper, Lucien, and Carter should all be fine practice squad candidates. Maybe one of them develops and eventually contributes something down the line. The fact that Harper plays ST and knows the system likely gives him a leg up in that PS race.

supafly said:

Absolutely. Edelman, Amendola, Hogan and Mitchell are all locks--so there's 4 right off the bat. We won't count Slater for an actual position in this exercise, so let's assume one more spot.

That last spot should be a battle between Washington, Dobson, and Martin.

Guys like Harper, Lucien, and Carter should all be fine practice squad candidates. Maybe one of them develops and eventually contributes something down the line. The fact that Harper plays ST and knows the system likely gives him a leg up in that PS race.

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Carter will have a chance if Edelman and Amendola start on the PUP list, although I'm leaving them on my 53s until they're actually on PUP.

captain stone said:

If something called Malcolm Butler is given actual consideration as a possibility for making the 53,
then our DB situation is not nearly as solid as some claim it to be, not by a long shot.

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This could of just been easily as said and possibly was a few years ago.

I thought we learned that how a player is acquired and where he is selected means nothing in the NFL.

That being said its a long shot but he still has equal footing with Martin Dobson and
Washington.

supafly said:

Absolutely. Edelman, Amendola, Hogan and Mitchell are all locks--so there's 4 right off the bat. We won't count Slater for an actual position in this exercise, so let's assume one more spot.

That last spot should be a battle between Washington, Dobson, and Martin.

Guys like Harper, Lucien, and Carter should all be fine practice squad candidates. Maybe one of them develops and eventually contributes something down the line. The fact that Harper plays ST and knows the system likely gives him a leg up in that PS race.

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Edelman should start the season - not just TC - on the PUP. Dez Bryant, a far sturdier athlete, has only recently been allowed to engage in full football activities, and he suffered the same injury 2 months earlier last season than Edelman did, and he underwnt the 2nd surgery - with a 6-month recovery period - 4 full months earlier than Edelman did.

And isn't Chris Harper the useless turd who fumbled the punt in Denver? The fact that he is still on the 90-man roster is as clear an example as can be found of the utter lack of accumen this FO has shown for over
a dozen damn years in finding legitimate WR prospects.

captain stone said:

If something called Malcolm Butler is given actual consideration as a possibility for making the 53,
then our DB situation is not nearly as solid as some claim it to be, not by a long shot.

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ChrisR2223 said:

This could of just been easily as said and possibly was a few years ago.

I thought we learned that how a player is acquired and where he is selected means nothing in the NFL.

That being said its a long shot but he still has equal footing with Martin Dobson and
Washington.

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The 2014 Pats had Revis, Browner, Arrington, Dennard & Ryan ahead of Butler on the CB depth chart.

The 2016 Pats have not even close to the same quality on the WR depth chart.

ChrisR2223 said:

This could of just been easily as said and possibly was a few years ago.

I thought we learned that how a player is acquired and where he is selected means nothing in the NFL.

That being said its a long shot but he still has equal footing with Martin Dobson and
Washington.

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captain stone said:

The 2014 Pats had Revis, Browner, Arrington, Dennard & Ryan ahead of Butler on the CB depth chart.

The 2016 Pats have not even close to the same quality on the WR depth chart.

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The starters, although good, aren't as good as 2014, but the depth is better. Not only are our CBs much younger, their cap hit is a small fraction of what it was in 2014. Browner sucks now, Arrington has always been inconsistent and even Revis is declining.

Elijah said:

Carter will have a chance if Edelman and Amendola start on the PUP list, although I'm leaving them on my 53s until they're actually on PUP.

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I realize that having one/both on PUP is a popular thought, but Amendola recently raved about how good he feels, so I don't know where that is coming from. He had what he described as "minor" procedures in his ankle and knee that occurred months ago.

Edelman, on the other hand, may be much more likely to start on PUP than Amendola.

If something called David Givens is given actual consideration as a possibility for making the 53,
then our WR situation is not nearly as solid as some claim it to be, not by a long shot.

captain stone said:

Edelman should start the season - not just TC - on the PUP. Dez Bryant, a far sturdier athlete, has only recently been allowed to engage in full football activities, and he suffered the same injury 2 months earlier last season than Edelman did, and he underwnt the 2nd surgery - with a 6-month recovery period - 4 full months earlier than Edelman did.

And isn't Chris Harper the useless turd who fumbled the punt in Denver? The fact that he is still on the 90-man roster is as clear an example as can be found of the utter lack of accumen this FO has shown for over
a dozen damn years in finding legitimate WR prospects.

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I can't believe we've kept Slater for so long after he fumbled that kickoff in 08...

I would've released him, and I don't think that we would've lost a whole lot with him gone either.

ChrisR2223 said:

Would love to see Dobson and Carter explode out of the gates.
Will be a exciting preseason

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Yeah....Dobson will explode out of the gates and then promptly tear his hamstring....!