Phil Perry - Bill Belichicks Top 5 Most Memorable Drafts

Speaking of drafts, here’s Belichick’s most memorable ones

1: Class of 2001
2: Class of 2002
3: Class of 2010
4: Class of 2003
5: Class of 2000

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Bill Lee said:

CSNNE, the home of click bait slide shows, sigh...

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It's slow ... there's crumbs out there.

Lots of bored football writers out there all of whom are hungry...

it could be worse. After all we just had over 10 pages of roaring soccer talk on multiple threads. How can this be worse. At least it concerns the right sport.

33 days until camp ....

IcyPatriot said:

Speaking of drafts, here’s Belichick’s most memorable ones

1: Class of 2001
2: Class of 2002
3: Class of 2010
4: Class of 2003
5: Class of 2000

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2001: $eymour, Light, and nothing else, despite having 8 more picks. Should not be #1.

2002: Bill needlessly made trade-ups for Graham & especially Rohan Davey. Too bad they only had 6 picks because of those moves; otherwise a solid draft.

2010: Swap the trained to be a Patriot Golden Tate for predicted bust Germy Cunnyham, and SS Reshard Jones (aka the Best Player Available) for the Zohan, and this would've been Bill's best draft, the complete waste of 4 7th-round picks notwithstanding.

2003: Bill's best overall draft, even with the predictable busts of Bethel Johnson (for whom they traded UP!) & Dan Klecko. And if Bill was going to trade up from 41 to 36, then he should've chosen CB Rashean Mathis instead of the soft Eugene Wilson. Bill really, really needs to stop drafting anybody from Illinois.

2000: Brady - a draft class all his own. Too bad that Adrian Klemm didn't have the desire to match his athleticism; he could've been a decent LG. And JR Redmond was worth his spot just for SB 36 alone.
The rest of that draft was worthless, and please don't bother to mention Patrick Pass.

DarrylS said:

Lots of bored football writers out there all of whom are hungry...

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I'm bored to **** myself. I've started one or two threads on random topics, including how much I actually secretly hate the QB sneak, just to pass the time. Training camp is taking FOREVER. Lol

captain stone said:

2001: $eymour, Light, and nothing else, despite having 8 more picks. Should not be #1.

2002: Bill needlessly made trade-ups for Graham & especially Rohan Davey. Too bad they only had 6 picks because of those moves; otherwise a solid draft.

2010: Swap the trained to be a Patriot Golden Tate for predicted bust Germy Cunnyham, and SS Reshard Jones (aka the Best Player Available) for the Zohan, and this would've been Bill's best draft, the complete waste of 4 7th-round picks notwithstanding.

2003: Bill's best overall draft, even with the predictable busts of Bethel Johnson (for whom they traded UP!) & Dan Klecko. And if Bill was going to trade up from 41 to 36, then he should've chosen CB Rashean Mathis instead of the soft Eugene Wilson. Bill really, really needs to stop drafting anybody from Illinois.

2000: Brady - a draft class all his own. Too bad that Adrian Klemm didn't have the desire to match his athleticism; he could've been a decent LG. And JR Redmond was worth his spot just for SB 36 alone.
The rest of that draft was worthless, and please don't bother to mention Patrick Pass.

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I don't want to debate your post, as I haven't digested the topic as much yet. But I do take exception to what you stated about Eugene. He wasn't great and he did fizzle rather quickly, but he made quite a few big plays in big games and we won a SB with him. Maybe Mathis was better, but we won a SB with Troy Brown and Randall Gay playing CB. Lol

This post was not meant to start a war, and yes, I did cherry pick the hell out of it. Lol But Eugene was not a wasted pick, IMO. We all know drafting is not an exact science. We've all predicted busts correctly and incorrectly. Organizations aren't immune to it. And year after year we're right there at the end with a chance to win it all. Not every team or fan base has that. In Bill I Trust until he proves me ABSOLUTELY wrong.

Eugene Wilson was flat out awesome in 2003. Don't care what anyone says. He fell off a cliff shortly after and basically gave room for James Sanders(who I hated by the way), but for a short time I considered him elite.

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Eugene Wilson was flat out awesome in 2003. Don't care what anyone says. He fell off a cliff shortly after and basically gave room for James Sanders(who I hated by the way), but for a short time I considered him elite.

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Eugene Wilson was the first authentic Jersey I ever bought

PatsBoy12 said:

In Bill I Trust until he proves me ABSOLUTELY wrong.

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Wasn't Terry Wheatley, Ronnie Brace, Germy Cunnyham, Glas-IR Dowling, Tavon F Wilson, Aaron Dropson, Dom Easily (and soon to be GeeNo Grissom & Vinnie Valentine) enough to convince you?

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Wasn't Terry Wheatley, Ronnie Brace, Germy Cunnyham, Glas-IR Dowling, Tavon F Wilson, Aaron Dropson, Dom Easily (and soon to be GeeNo Grissom & Vinnie Valentine) enough to convince you?

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Great! Cherry pick one statement and gloss over, in the same post, where I mention drafting is not an exact science. Also conveniently disregard that even after listing all of the names you did, NE is contending EVERY year. What has it been now...five straight AFCCGs? Lol What other apparently better drafting franchise can claim that? And lastly, please just find me one team, JUST ONE, that hasn't drafted a bust in the past five years. Are you being serious?

Gronk (HOF?)
Hernandez (spare me the murder talk)
Wilfork (HOF?)
Seymour (HOF?)
TY Warren
D. Hightower (considered one of the best at the position)
H. Collins (considered one of the best at the position)
C. Jones (very good player)
J. Mayo (OUR LEADER)
D. McCourty (making a push to elite status)
Deion Branch (appeared in more SBs with him than Moss and was a SB MVP)
David Givens (made more big playoff plays than Wes Welker and was a RB in college)
Tom Brady (what a bum)

That's a short list deliberately. Again, drafting is not an exact science and there will be bad picks. Also, if you paid close attention to the few names I listed, you'll notice not every player has to be a "star" or the best at his position to win. BB, and I'm paraphrasing, has stated he's not about collecting talent. Rather, he tries to build a team. Go ask Snyder how well collecting talent worked out for him. So, are the names I listed enough to convince you? I already know the answer. And I'm also not responding to any more of this nonsense. You should try to walk on as a scouting guy. Wasn't Caserio a walk on? Lol

You seriously picked one sentence from the post and ignore everything that preceded it, which all explain why that sentence is there. It's like only watching the end of a movie and saying the movie sucked. Lol

doesntmatter1 said:

Eugene Wilson was flat out awesome in 2003. Don't care what anyone says. He fell off a cliff shortly after and basically gave room for James Sanders(who I hated by the way), but for a short time I considered him elite.

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And that's the only puzzling thing to me. How did he fizzle so quickly? Was it injury? I'll never forget the hit he put on Stokley (IIRC) in one of the snow games. Whew. Lol

He was a decent player and we won with him. It's all about winning with who you have on the roster. That's the point of building a roster. Not every guy on the team has to be an f-ing HOFer. That won't happen, especially in the salary cap era. Some people are incapable of reconciling that in their minds. Same people disregard the shrewd trades and FA signings. There are so many ways to build the team and depth. Has BB missed there too? Of course. But it's a lot easier to draft and coach from the couch. I can do it in my boxers and no shirt on. Lol

captain stone said:

2001: $eymour, Light, and nothing else, despite having 8 more picks. Should not be #1.

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The best part of that off-season were the free agent pickups.

• Je'Rod Cherry ......... SS .... Philadelphia Eagles
• Mike Compton ........ G/C .... Detroit Lions
• Marc Edwards ........ FB ..... Cleveland Browns
• Damon Huard ........ QB .... Miami Dolphins
• Larry Izzo ............... LB .... Miami Dolphins
• Marty Moore .......... WLB .... Cleveland Browns
• David Patten ............ WR .... Cleveland Browns
• Roman Phifer .......... LB ..... New York Jets
• Anthony Pleasant .... DE .... San Francisco 49ers
• Antowain Smith ...... RB .... Buffalo Bills
• Chris Sullivan ........... DL .... Pittsburgh Steelers
• Mike Vrabel ............. LB .... Pittsburgh Steelers
• Ken Walter .............. P ...... Carolina Panthers

All they lost to free agency were FB Tony Carter and NT Chad Eaton

Wasn't Bryan Cox also part of that free agent class? Man what a haul that was.

Listed every long term draft study I found within a couple of minutes of Googling.

Which NFL teams have drafted best over the last 5 years?

Ranking the 5 NFL teams that are best at drafting

Which NFL teams have been best at the draft lately? - The Boston Globe

Who’s been doing the best job of drafting? – National Football Post

NFL Draft: Which teams are the best and worst at picking players | New York Post

Best, worst picks for first 32 draft slots over last 10 years

Whatever the methodology, I dont think I've seen a single long term (5+ years) draft study that does not grade the Patriots somewhere among the very best Drafters.

Drafting in the NFL (and remember the Patriots draft with the worst handicap of all other teams, averaging far later in every round) is not an absolute. Grading needs to be done on a historic curve.

College to NFL busts are an inherit part of the Drafting process. At the end of the 2nd round where the Patriots have picked on average (again worst in the League) studies show the success rate is a mere 45%. By the end of the 3rd round where the Patriots pick, the success rate falls to less than 30%.

And not only do the Patriots pick far later than all other teams in the NFL (Colts on average picked about 3 rounds before the Patriots) but they've lost more picks than any other team thanks to the politics of Herr Goodell.

I havent seen any studies, but one thing that does offset a portion of these handicaps is how well the Patriots manipulate the Compensatory Pick mechanics (though this opinion is highly subjective and other teams could do a better job of it).

1973: John Hannah, Sam Cunningham, Ray Hamilton, and Darryl Stingley.

Oooops, that wasn't Bill. Still awesome, though.

captain stone said:

Wasn't Terry Wheatley, Ronnie Brace, Germy Cunnyham, Glas-IR Dowling, Tavon F Wilson, Aaron Dropson, Dom Easily (and soon to be GeeNo Grissom & Vinnie Valentine) enough to convince you?

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with respect to what?

how about putting some fricking context in there?

captain stone said:

Wasn't Terry Wheatley, Ronnie Brace, Germy Cunnyham, Glas-IR Dowling, Tavon F Wilson, Aaron Dropson, Dom Easily (and soon to be GeeNo Grissom & Vinnie Valentine) enough to convince you?

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Bill does work hard at it; like other things, sometimes he overthinks it...he's gotten a few good kids in there, including Brady.