Alan Millstein: Brady's chances of en banc hearing dramatically improved with latest amicus filings

TommyBrady12 said:

Wallach now backtracking on today being decision day.

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Well he's throwing in Peterson and sports betting in with Brady. I don't think all three are going to come on the same day, no natter what day so not all that bold of a prediction

The court usually posts their dockets around this time so we will know very soon if it's today. Nothing there yet...

for now, can brady still play while the court is deciding things? If so, then this court can take all the time they want in pondering this like the other court is doing for peterson.

QuantumMechanic said:

For the record, the tapes were supposedly destroyed by Jeff Pash putting them on the floor and jumping up and down on them, not by burning.

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I don't know whether to give that a "Funny" or a "Useful," so I'll give a "Fuseful."

I've always held that the real reason the League destroyed the tapes was that they would have driven the Owners around the bend and off the deep end. I believe that Belichick and Ernie Adams had them down to a science. They were probably digitized and so could be recalled in a second under any circumstances, all perfectly legally recorded from the Sidelines until the League Memorandum came out.

PatsFanSince74 said:

I don't know whether to give that a "Funny" or a "Useful," so I'll give a "Fuseful."

I've always held that the real reason the League destroyed the tapes was that they would have driven the Owners around the bend and off the deep end. I believe that Belichick and Ernie Adams had them down to a science. They were probably digitized and so could be recalled in a second under any circumstances, all perfectly legally recorded from the Sidelines until the League Memorandum came out.

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I read a rumor somewhere that the tapes helped at times and didn't other times. Ernie would guess wrong frequently.

Bunch of dockets just went up on the website... and nothing on Brady. Oh well. I guess it's next week at the earliest.

TommyBrady12 said:

I read a rumor somewhere that the tapes helped at times and didn't other times. Ernie would guess wrong frequently.

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I thought Adams was, like the Pope, Infallible.

sb1 said:

Bunch of dockets just went up on the website... and nothing on Brady. Oh well. I guess it's next week at the earliest.

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Thanks for the factual update. It is really appreciated.

sb1 said:

Bunch of dockets just went up on the website... and nothing on Brady. Oh well. I guess it's next week at the earliest.

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Thanks. And, the Court is closed on Tuesday.

PatsFanSince74 said:

Thanks. And, the Court is closed on Tuesday.

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cA2 is off monday AND tuesday?

I just come here to see if any decision has been made. I lost all interest in talking about this case or reading about it. God this is taking forever.

They are obviously taken aback by the arrogance and blatant disregard for due process shown by the NFL leadership. Either that, or they've been tied up discussing the OJ documentary.

You are unaware. I am living in Maryland and it is discussed all the time. I hear it on the news and the Washington Post has had many well written articles.

Angelpats said:

Well what the league office does to the patriots do mean more than squat. If they took your draft picks and suspended your best player with out any real proof he did anything wrong I'm sure you wouldn't be happy about it.

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He's a Jets fan. How can he be happy about anything?

letekro said:

Maybe, but in that link not even Donaghy suggests that Lakers-Kings was a league mandate. His complaint blamed it entirely on the two officials. And he doesn't cite to any other games that were fixed by anyone other than him. Add it all up and I don't see much evidence against the league. Although that doesn't mean that certain officials haven't fixed games for their own reasons, as Donaghy did.

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Tim knew Referees A and F to be 'company men', always acting in the interest of the NBA, and that night, it was in the NBA's interest to add another game to the series."[39]

The Lakers won Game 6, attempting 18 more free throws than the Kings in the fourth quarter, and went on to win the 2002 NBA Finals. The teams were not named, but the Western Conference Finals was the only seven-game series that year.[40]

The document claimed that Donaghy told federal agents that to increase television ratings and ticket sales, "top executives of the NBA sought to manipulate games using referees".[39]

It also said that NBA officials would tell referees to not call technical fouls on certain players, and states that a referee was privately reprimanded by the league for ejecting a star player in the first quarter of a January 2000 game.[39]

Tim Donaghy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

what a bloodbath post, JSP.,..you gutted Leperpetuallycontentiouskro like a fresh mackeral...

For what little it's worth, I consider "fixing" to include anything from giving refs brown paper bags filled with cash to creating a culture where a ref feels he will be rewarded by his bosses if he unfairly penalizes one team over another (or punished if he doesn't).

JoeSixPat said:

Tim knew Referees A and F to be 'company men', always acting in the interest of the NBA, and that night, it was in the NBA's interest to add another game to the series."[39]

The Lakers won Game 6, attempting 18 more free throws than the Kings in the fourth quarter, and went on to win the 2002 NBA Finals. The teams were not named, but the Western Conference Finals was the only seven-game series that year.[40]

The document claimed that Donaghy told federal agents that to increase television ratings and ticket sales, "top executives of the NBA sought to manipulate games using referees".[39]

It also said that NBA officials would tell referees to not call technical fouls on certain players, and states that a referee was privately reprimanded by the league for ejecting a star player in the first quarter of a January 2000 game.[39]

Tim Donaghy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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First of all, Donaghy provided this information in hopes of a reduced sentence, so take it with a grain of salt.

Second, like I said, he did not suggest that game 6 of Lakers Kings came from the league office. He says that the two refs were company men that would act in the leagues interest. A "company man" will act in his company's interest without being ordered to do so. The document cited says that the referees themselves wanted to fix the game, not the league. This is different from the examples he gives where he says "top executives" ordered things, below.

Third, if you read the document cited, which, again, is a document written by his lawyer to justify a downward departure from federal sentencing guidelines, the examples he gives of "top executives" manipulating games are as follows:

1. Telling officials not to eject star players. Is this one a surprise, if true? Of course not. you don't think a ref should get reprimanded if he tosses Michael Jordan from a game for mouthing off?

2. Telling refs to call moving screens against a player on a team that was up 2-0 after the losing team complained. No where does Donaghy suggest the player was not committing moving screens. I mean, this is why coaches complain to refs before, during, and after games. What is wrong with the league reviewing the game tape and deciding that one player's illegal conduct is giving that team an unfair advantage and instructing the refs to flag that illegal conduct? Every coach in every sport complains with the hopes of obtaining this result.


So, in total, these are the incendiary allegations against league executives: 1. Instructing refs not to toss stars from games (duh) and 2. Instructing the refs to call fouls against one guy because the other team complained. If these are equivalent to "match fixing" then we have a different definition of the term.

Here is the link to the actual document his lawyer filed with the court.

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/080610/donaghy03.pdf

Danger Zone said:

For what little it's worth, I consider "fixing" to include anything from giving refs brown paper bags filled with cash to creating a culture where a ref feels he will be rewarded by his bosses if he unfairly penalizes one team over another (or punished if he doesn't).

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What about the examples Donaghy actually gave, which I provided above? I certainly think they do not rise to the level of match fixing, although people may disagree.

letekro said:

What about the examples Donaghy actually gave, which I provided above? I certainly think they do not rise to the level of match fixing, although people may disagree.

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You aren't used to people disagreeing with you? I find that somewhere between alarming and confusing.