OT: (edit) COPA Finals - Argentina vs Chile !!!

RobertWeathers · Jun 22, 2016

SilverSeven said:
So yeah...Argentina had a good day.

Makes Pats v Bears in 85 seem like a nail biter.

RobertWeathers · Jun 22, 2016

IcyPatriot said:
Like I said earlier ... there is literally no creative midfield play in US youth soccer.
Teams are now forced to play a 4-4-2 and most of the play is up the sides ...
There is strength in offense as a unit ... but not individually in the midfield.

Completely agree w this. All 3 of my kids play club soccer and midfield play is non existent.

ausbacker · Jun 22, 2016

Turkamu said:
I'm not saying it's easy but there are quite a few that would have saved that one. If you watch it again, you can see that he makes a little jump to his right the moment messi kicks the ball. That's a typical mistake many GKs make because they are afraid of a shot over the wall. Without that jump, he saves that free kick.

No. I've watched it multiple times, in slow motion, at speed, and from different angles. It was a stunning free kick.

It curled away and dipped into the top corner. Frankly, it's an astonishing piece of set piece skill from Messi.

IcyPatriot · Jun 22, 2016

ausbacker said:
No. I've watched it multiple times, in slow motion, at speed, and from different angles. It was a stunning free kick.

It was ... I mostly agree with you ... but one thing bothers me about it.
The ball went through the gap that Guzan himself wanted so he does bear some responsibility.
If he was worried about his far side he should have placed the wall a few feet in that direction.

ausbacker · Jun 22, 2016

IcyPatriot said:
It was ... I mostly agree with you ... but one thing bothers me about it.
The ball went through the gap that Guzan himself wanted so he does bear some responsibility.
If he was worried about his far side he should have placed the wall a few feet in that direction.

Setting the wall is always an interesting proposition but you've also got to remember, even though it's likely Messi will take it, Argentina is full of other capable players and as the keeper, you've also got to mind your surroundings which includes the goal, your defenders and the opposition. From our vantage point, that all seems rather simple but for Guzan, that was happening at match speed and under pressure.

Turkamu · Jun 22, 2016

ausbacker said:
No. I've watched it multiple times, in slow motion, at speed, and from different angles. It was a stunning free kick.

It curled away and dipped into the top corner. Frankly, it's an astonishing piece of set piece skill from Messi.

Nr 4 @ 2min is almost exactly the same

IcyPatriot · Jun 22, 2016

ausbacker said:
Setting the wall is always an interesting proposition but you've also got to remember, even though it's likely Messi will take it, Argentina is full of other capable players and as the keeper, you've also got to mind your surroundings which includes the goal, your defenders and the opposition. From our vantage point, that all seems rather simple but for Guzan, that was happening at match speed and under pressure.

The wall is set in attempt to cut the net in half ...
It is a bit puzzling thst Guzan left 3 feet available on his left side ... Messi needed 1 of that.
The pressure surely created that error IMO.

ausbacker · Jun 22, 2016

Turkamu said:
Nr 4 @ 2min is almost exactly the same

Except it's not because the arc, flight, and direction of the struck ball, as you would expect, differs when struck by a right foot attempt compared with a left foot attempt.

On another note, geez there's some cracking saves in that series.

ausbacker · Jun 22, 2016

IcyPatriot said:
The wall is set in attempt to cut the net in half ...
It is a bit puzzling thst Guzan left 3 feet available on his left side ... Messi needed 1 of that.
The pressure suely created that error IMO.

No doubt, easy to dissect in retrospect but the quality of the finish was, and remains outstanding. As for Guzan's failure, that could be a long or a short discussion.

Palm Beach Pats Fan · Jun 22, 2016

robertweathers said:
Makes Pats v Bears in 85 seem like a nail biter.

Maybe more like Pats-Colts, Jan 2015.

What was the gametime temp? Should we whine about psi?

Observer · Jun 22, 2016

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:
Maybe more like Pats-Colts, Jan 2015.

What was the gametime temp? Should we whine about psi?

I am sure that Messi's kick decreased the PSI which is why Guzan wasn't able to save it. With a properly inflated ball he saves that 100 times out of 100, I know because I asked Mark Brunell. Enjoy the asterisk Messi!

IcyPatriot · Jun 22, 2016

Eh ... why make another thread ... So I added Chile vs Colombia.

Chile came out on fire and had colombia on their heels ... real good game so far.

Observer · Jun 22, 2016

One of the worst referee decisions I have ever seen.

Observer · Jun 25, 2016

How about this us vs Colombia match? It's been pretty exciting

IcyPatriot · Jun 25, 2016

Observer said:
How about this us vs Colombia match? It's been pretty exciting

I was at Monster Jam at Gillette ... I missed it.

Joker · Jun 25, 2016

*hack*..*cough*...*cough*........yeah, me too...

venecol · Jun 26, 2016

Turkamu said:
Nr 4 @ 2min is almost exactly the same

Agree. A much better goalie could have stopped the kick but it was an absolutely beautiful kick and great goal by Messi and I don't even like him.

PatriotsPimp136 · Jun 26, 2016

Chile vs argentina should be good. Don't sleep on chile.

IcyPatriot · Jun 26, 2016

Messi - 2

Chile - 1

My prediction.

IcyPatriot · Jun 26, 2016

PatriotsPimp136 said:
Chile vs argentina should be good. Don't sleep on chile.

Their attack is unreal ... they bring honor to the 4-3-3.
Argentina also plays a 4-3-3 it will be interesting to see if there are any changes to the game plans.

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