OT: (edit) COPA Finals - Argentina vs Chile !!!

AzorianPats · Jun 21, 2016

Ivan said:
I won't kill you for it. There is a fundamental dispute within American soccer wherein Klinsman believes their top young players need to play in the best leagues to become great players, and the MLS, which runs the board at US Soccer and wants to players to stay home and build the MLS. I'm with Klinsman, great players come from great competition, and don't develop to their potential without it. The MLS does not provide it and for at least another generation won't. Support them playing abroad and keep them playing in national games over MLS players who gain favor by staying home.

Ultimately it will cost Klinsman his job, but that doesn't make it right.

Observer said:
I can see both sides to the argument. On the one hand players would see top flight competition by playing in Europe. On the other hand the Germans and Italians have been powerhouses picking mostly from their domestic squads. I think we will see the quality truly improve when top international talent start playing for US clubs.

Problem is you're only seeing the elite international talent come here at the twilight of their careers.

Case in point Pirlo. Pirlo is still class, hes playing for NY, and I think he had expectations of making Italys squad for the Euros. Conte left him out, and cited him playing for MLS as the reason.

I get why MLS wants the Americans to stay here, but its really holding back the progress.

ausbacker · Jun 21, 2016

patsbrasilpatriotas said:
Dude i dont hate nobody... And i dont take anything from Messi. He is the best player now by far... But this kick in particular (in the top corner) was in the same side as the gk and after he take one side he was supposed to save any kick there.

I'm going to assume you've played football. I'm going to assume you're aware it's possible for a keeper to be unsighted. The moment the keeper fails to react, he's gone. That's the beauty of Messi's kick. He executed it perfectly.

Ivan · Jun 21, 2016

This looks awful.

Really glad he's up.

Observer · Jun 21, 2016

wolverinejoe80 said:
man imagine our best athletes grew up only playing soccer from day 1 in a top system.

adrian peterson
darrell revis
cam newton (goalie)
calvin johnson
patrick peterson
dion lewis
julian edelman
woodhead
chris paul
derrick rose(healthy one of course)
russell westbrook
OBJ
josh norman
julio jones
aj green

maybe we would've had a chance...

I don't think the comparison holds. Football is highly dependent on pure athletics. Soccer is like playing a musical instrument, it's a lot about creativity and finesse.

AzorianPats · Jun 21, 2016

venecol · Jun 21, 2016

Argentinians are impressive. Their worse player is as good as most good players in other teams. I don't like Argentina but you have to admire their play.

venecol · Jun 21, 2016

Like the kid, brought energy to the US team.

Observer · Jun 21, 2016

Great counterattack. You can tell Argentina still have a lot of tricks they haven't even shown yet.

Ivan · Jun 21, 2016

Looking at the list of great athletes who didnt play soccer....

Imagine Barry Sanders playing soccer?

Imagine Magic Johnson or Jordan in goal?

IcyPatriot · Jun 21, 2016

#1 pick in the 2016 MLS draft got a $175,000 contract.

7th round pick Devin Lucien has a 450K contract

Huge difference.

wolverinejoe80 · Jun 21, 2016

Observer said:
I don't think the comparison holds. Football is highly dependent on pure athletics. Soccer is like playing a musical instrument, it's a lot about creativity and finesse.

i'm a big supporter of a local rec league in all age groups and some kids are just better than the other kids in sports. and you name it. soccer, baseball, hockey, basketball, etc. they are just better at sports at early age. and they grow up to play everything else other than soccer... that's the cold hard reality of this country.

let's say guys like adrian peterson plays soccer from day 1. even if he isn't all that creative, he can still develop proper skill sets to become a pretty good footballer. and i think guys like CP3 will thrive in soccer because some kids just have that great vision. they are just born with creativity.

venecol · Jun 21, 2016

Come on score at least 1 goal.

AzorianPats · Jun 21, 2016

On the bright side...

Atleast the US didnt lose 7-0..

Suck it Mexico!!

ausbacker · Jun 21, 2016

AzorianPats said:
On the bright side...

Atleast the US didnt lose 7-0..

Suck it Mexico!!

Perhaps the Mexicans should have built a wall.

wolverinejoe80 · Jun 21, 2016

wow messi. wow.

wolverinejoe80 · Jun 21, 2016

ugly, ugly, ugly

IcyPatriot · Jun 21, 2016

WTF Cameron ... that was dumb.

3 goals tonight were due to simple marking/possession mistakes by the USA.

ausbacker · Jun 21, 2016

IcyPatriot said:
WTF Cameron ... that was dumb.

Looking forward to reading one poster's explanation of how goal #4 was Guzan's fault.

venecol · Jun 21, 2016

ausbacker said:
Looking forward to reading one poster's explanation of how goal #4 was Guzan's fault.

It wasn't.

venecol · Jun 21, 2016

Venezuela is ranked #77 I think and they played Argentina way better. This is sad.

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