OT: Cavs vs. Warriors (Who Wins the NBA Finals?)

Froob said:

Why does Cleveland even have a black jersey lol? The whole sleeves thing has got to go...

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Readiness for the Cleveland sports funeral post game 5?

Commish is going to be in for some boos tonight if Dubs win. He had done such a good job by not being as big of a shady POS as Stern.

This guy would have loved this Warriors team.

Thompson and Curry are DRAINING 3's. Cleveland had better hope they can keep pace.

Kevin Love is slower than **** coming out of a turtle's ass ...

Not sure WTF Ainge sees in him ... Brad Stevens wants fast quick 1 way players ... Love is a tank.

Ugh modern basketball games are just becoming three point contests now

IcyPatriot said:

Kevin Love is slower than **** coming out of a turtle's ass ...

Not sure WTF Ainge sees in him ... Brad Stevens wants fast quick 1 way players ... Love is a tank.

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You have to keep in mind the role he's playing, I don't think Love is as bad as he looks. He isn't great and can't be the best player on a title team but, he could be a nice piece at the right price. His passing and shooting in a Brad Stevens offense would be something..

XLIX said:

Jordan was a great player, there's no denying it - but he had great teammates too. When Jordan left the Bulls, they won 50 games and went to the conference semi-finals both season (with Jordan joining late in the 2nd year).

I am no LeBron fan, but when he left the Cavs, they went from 61 wins to 19. They became one of the worst teams in the league. He has never had the talent around him that Jordan had, even when he was in Miami.

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The '94 Bulls were a lot better than the '95 Bulls (largely, if not entirely, because they lost and failed to competently replace Horace Grant). Jordan had Pippen, and the rest of the pieces worked because those two were so great together. Grant, Rodman, Kukoc, Cartwright, Paxson, Kerr, Armstrong...on its face the argument that any of the filler on the Bulls' rosters were somehow vastly superior talent-wise to what Lebron has had just isn't true. It seems like this might be a little bit of remembering Jordan's teammates as better than they were because they won 6 titles together (or 3 and 3 really, besides Pippen). Nobody thinks BJ Armstrong is a "great" player, he was however great in his role, and I think people might remember Delonte West, Daniel Gibson, or Larry Hughes as being great in that same way had one of those early CLE teams won a title.

Lebron's teams in CLE, in MIA, and in CLE again have been stocked with quality players both in the starting 5 as well as down the roster with guys taking smaller contracts to play with the guy. Where those pieces haven't worked in Lebron's career, I think it's also important to note that they are often teammates of his own choosing. Jordan may have been pissed when they traded Charles Oakley for Bill Cartwright, or drafted Pippen & Grant instead of whatever guys he preferred, but the Bulls front office did run the roster pretty well....right up until the end at least.

The two biggest differences are probably that Jordan/Pippen were naturally competitive defenders that didn't have to be coached or convinced into giving 100% on D all the time, and that Jordan's ruthlessness didn't allow anyone else on the team to be lax, ever. Those are 2 things that have never been said about Lebron.

Anyway...with the James/Green stepover incident and all the Pip talk this seems like a fun thing to share:

Froob said:

You have to keep in mind the role he's playing, I don't think Love is as bad as he looks. He isn't great and can't be the best player on a title team but, he could be a nice piece at the right price. His passing and shooting in a Brad Stevens offense would be something..

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Stevens does not like defensive liabilities and he already has one in Thomas.
IDK I just don't see it ...
I'd rather see them use the pick on Jaylen Brown who they are in love with if they use it.
Or my choice Jamal Murray.

flopping should be a flagrant foul ... embarrassing.

livingston to celtics! make it happen ainge!!

Gronk said:

Lebron's teams in CLE, in MIA, and in CLE again have been stocked with quality players both in the starting 5 as well as down the roster with guys taking smaller contracts to play with the guy.

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You have got to be kidding me. Those "quality guys" went from 61 wins to 19 when LeBron left.

The one time LeBron did play with quality players, he went to the finals 4 times and won 2 of those. Not as good as Jordan, but still pretty impressive.

I hope ET sticks around, I think he's a very similar player to Livingston who is a valuable piece for GS (I actually think ET is better).

bron showed up tonight. he doesn't want to go fishing yet. but warriors got this. bron cant do it alone

NBA can be absolutely unwatchable at times

Froob said:

I hope ET sticks around, I think he's a very similar player to Livingston who is a valuable piece for GS (I actually think ET is better).

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et sucks lol

He has good games here and there but sucks in big moments or against superior teams. Livingston is the opposite

IcyPatriot said:

Stevens does not like defensive liabilities and he already has one in Thomas.
IDK I just don't see it ...
I'd rather see them use the pick on Jaylen Brown who they are in love with if they use it.
Or my choice Jamal Murray.

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I think IT is an underrated defender for the record, he moves his feet very well and gives 110% every play. He never gets posted up so his size isn't that big of a deal.

I like Murray a lot too, I think he'd be my pick, I like Brown too. I have no idea who the Celts are actually in love with because Ainge has spread smoke in every direction to try get more trade interest. We've been rumored to take just about every top ten prospect (with the exception of top 2 of course) at this point lol. Usually the guys you hear the least about is who Ainge actually ends up taking.

AvocadoIceCream said:

et sucks lol

He has good games here and there but sucks in big moments or against superior teams. Livingston is the opposite

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I'd very much disagree, ET is super clutch. His problem is he's the second best ISO player on the team. Livingston wouldn't be nearly as good if he were the no.2 option vs like 5 or 6. ET if he can get a 33-35% 3 pt shot is a damn good player with his much improved defense.

missing draymond is huge. warriors look like a mess on defense

JVG with a shoutout to Boston's defense.